MAKE ALIEN GREAT AGAIN!

I would like to give some Information on ONE of my Prometheus 2 ideas i had in 2013....

As it COULD be used for a NEW Venture into the Expanded Universe if FANS would be ok with NOT seeing Xenomorphs ;)

Alien Covenant was kind of FORCED to make Planet 4 closer by Virtue of having to give us a Direct Plot that will lead to ALIEN  and would require Humans from Earth to come into play.

When RS was looking at the Franchise after Prometheus in 2012 i would DOUBT that he would have had the Engineers Paradise be located so CLOSE to Earth.

So when i was thinking of Sequels... my Prometheus 2 was actually not based away from our System... it only had David and Dr Shaw in a FEW Scenes and Engineers (Flash Backs)....   my ideas i was thinking after this TWO Sequels....   ONE would be a Mission to LV-223 and Close the Door to ALIEN... the other would THEN be where David and Dr Shaw go!

The David and Dr Shaw journey would be ONE that does-not and likely thinking would-not be SET in the same Time-Line, i was thinking it would be like 100 Years after Prometheus.

Anyway the Main Idea for WHERE it would be that David and Dr Shaw would arrive would be FAR FAR from Earth.. like 10'000 Light Years away maybe more.  It was BASICALLY to place this WORLD out of the Reach of Mankind in the ALIEN Time-Line.....

On the Journey i was thinking of a SHOT of the Beautiful sight of the  Pillars of Creation seeing the Juggernaught fly by.

Anyway in Context to a NEW Destination... the idea was to have this WORLD be FAR away... so that the EVENTS would NOT effect the ALIEN Time-Line.....

I would assume that RS etc had been Faced with thinking of the Same and a PROBLEM...    how is a Story going to WORK with David and Dr Shaw and then they FIND a World of ANGRY Engineers?

Well you would think you NEED more Human Characters and by Virtue of that then you CANT have Paradise being so FAR away?

Well you CAN... its a bit Naive to Assume that Humans were ONLY ever Seeded to Earth!   The opening Scene of my Prometheus 2 had shown the Engineers arriving at Earth and taking some Apes into Cryo-Pods.... and the Juggernaught then leaves Earth... we Zoom in on a Ape in Cryo-sleep and then CLOSE in to Her Eyes.... then as we Focus OUT of her Eyes we see that its Dr Shaw and instead of a Engineer Watching Over its David..... this Scene was to loosely indicate the Engineers had taken Primitive Apes away to Experiment/Evolve.

Anyway the PLOT i am on about is my Prometheus 3 which would be the Journey of David and Dr Shaw... and a Similar Flash Back seen would see the Engineers on Earth taking Babies/Infants into Cryo-Pods and AWAY from Earth.

Anyway what we have is that David and Dr Shaw would ARRIVE at a World that would have SOME Engineers... but their would be OTHER Species that are Humanoid too.. and also their would be HUMANS...

The Problem would be HOW do they Communicate.. well David would have TAUGHT our Dr Shaw quite a bit of Ancient Language that he spoke to the Engineer in Prometheus but she does not SPEAK it too well.

The Engineers would speak at First in that Dialog with Sub-Titles, with David and Dr Shaw also subtitled... then for the Benefit of the Audience it changes to ENGLISH so we dont have to bother with Subtitles.

At this point ONE of the Elders makes a Telepathic Link to Dr Shaw and Determines she is GOOD of SOUL.

I then had the idea that the Engineers had a Technology where they could TRANSFER some Knowledge to Dr Shaw so that she would THEN have Knowledge of their Language. 

Dr Shaw and David also at some point see this Device could also READ MINDS... and that it could Potentially STORE a Subjects Memories... or even Wipe/Replace them and so it could be used as a kind of MIND CONTROL... but also maybe as a TOOL to pass one Persons Memories into a New Body.

David has FOUND something that could have given Weyland some kind of Immortality (Weyland had worked on a A.I for that which is what my Prometheus 2 covered but it was Problematic)

Anyway my Plot would have the Engineers Concerned with David they CANT read his Mind... the Device cant be used on HIM... he tries it and a Elder informs him it can only WORK on a Being with a SOUL...  which David finds Offensive... and claims Humans have NO SOULS.  The Engineer informs David that Organic Beings Created by them with BRAINS can Store their Memories and thus SOUL and so as David has NO Brain per say then he has NO SOUL...

Anyway the Engineers then Determine they should go to LV-223 and LAY that place to DUST... they Ponder if they should DESTROY the Earth because NOW we can Traverse Space.

David tells Dr Shaw what he found out and this Concerns Dr Shaw and she Confronts the Elders who indeed inform her of WHY they attempted it before and what Happened (Sabotage) that they Rescued some Humans prior to the Intended Destruction but some Engineers wanted them to DESTROY all Human Creations.

Anyway to CUT this Short.... the Elders inform Dr Shaw that NOW that Mankind can Travel the Stars, have Discovered LV-223 and have Created Synthetics then they have to DESTROY it all....  and that Mankind Survives on this Paradise but also on other Worlds they Visit so HUMANITY would not be KILLED just those who are Space Fairing and a Threat...

Dr Shaw pleads... she asks them to GO to Earth and Visit them... send someone down to TRY and show us a BETTER WAY... the Engineer say they had Sent Down Emissaries in the Past but many were IGNORED and Crucified.

Anyway we see Dr Shaw is Very Upset.. she discovers some Truth about her Faith..... she understands the Engineers point of View though....  and David sees she is UPSET and he is also Concerned about the Engineers plans for him as they DONT trust him...

He Discovers the Engineers are Concerned her Faith could effect the Races on this Planet and they are likely going to use the SOUL DEVICE on Dr Shaw to Erase some of her Memory/Faith.

Concerned with the Engineers Potential Plans he UNLEASHES HELL on the Engineers.... to Protect Himself... but he Claims that he did it for Dr Shaw and to SAVE the Earth...   The END of the Idea we see some Survivors and Horrors and David has taken Dr Shaw with the Engineers Mind Transfer/Control Device and wishes to LEAVE...   Dr Shaw says he has DESTROYED Paradise... but David says he can take her to another Paradise and they can RULE over it with Dr Shaws Faith

This was just some Rough Nuts/Bolts of the Plot.. i had not 100% come to a Definite way to do it as i had ideas of Changing some stuff here and there.

But in Context to the OT...

Then WHY cant their be other Worlds with Humans that are FAR away that Mankind only Discover say in the Year 2250

"Robots maybe, but not humans. Space is a great place for robots."

Certainly and i actually think you COULD maybe see another EDEN in the Future... and THIS is the same as the Covenant Plot though..

But i am talking Potential Reality not Sci-Fi ;)

Your point about Robots is Interesting they COULD potentially Survive the VAST journey of Space to another Earth like World... that could take Hundreds of Years.

If in FUTURE we reach such Advancements then HOW FAR could our Genetic Engineering had come...

Surely in 200 Years we could STORE the Egg and Sperm Cells of MANY Species....   if we could STORE them for Hundreds of Years and then when the ROBOTS reach a New Eden... they can begin to Fertilize the Eggs and Grow the Embryo's then in THEORY this would be the BEST chance that Mankind can LIVE-ON and Inhabit a New World.

A Noahs Ark of Sorts... which is what i was going to Explore with the Engineers and Earth too..

>>>Nay, nay, nay. Leonardo da Vinci was designing flying machines in the 15th century!

This perfectly confirms my words. One man's genius did not change public opinion. People denied the existence of airplanes even when they already appeared! And all because their experience of life, public opinion and the level of knowledge of the world at that time told them that this is impossible.

FTL seems impossible now, but what will happen tomorrow? Definitely not a warp.

I like FTL in the Alien universe. Gives everybody on Earth a chance to meet the xenomorph. Gives the military the ability to rescue the colonies...Two weeks to LV-426..instead of hundreds or thousands of years.

They could retcon Alien and make it more like the 'Expanse' Hard sci-fi. Have the Derelict found on a moon of Saturn.

Having the action take place 40 light years from Earth is cool and exotic, but i think moons of Saturn are ever bit as cool.

I just saw again some scenes from Alien.

After Ripley finds out about special order 937, Ash starts to tell her: "There is an explanation for this, you know..." Unfortunately Ripley is so distressed about special order 937 that she doesn't wanna hear the goddamn explanation...

The USCSS Prometheus was within five million kilometers of Mars when it dropped from FTL.

MUTHUR woke David. He immediately recognized something was wrong, why had he been powered down? 

"Curious” he thought, then made his way to the bridge.

The starship and it’s crew were returning home after failing to find anything of value in their exhaustive search of LV-223. Four years for nothing. The Zeta Reticuli system was devoid of ‘little green men’. How could Shaw and Holloway be so wrong? Puzzled David.

Captain Janek joined David on the bridge, followed by the rest of the crew, who dutifully took their positions. David made his way to the navigation console.

“Alright Mister Chance, let’s make this a smooth reentry” The captain yawned.

Chance suddenly nervous, “Umm...Sir? We’re not getting telemetry from Mars station..” 

The captain adjusted his hat, “Try another frequency?”

David spoke  “I think we have a larger problem captain”

“How so?” 

“Earth seems to be missing” He splashed the SOL system on the ship’s HUD.

OMG, the Engineers made it to Earth!

Yeah...thought it'd be cool for a time travel or alternate reality Prometheus adventure.

The Engineers crushed Earth into beach ball sized black hole and that orbits the sun where Earth once did.

You might say Earth is still there.... As David would point out: "Information loss is impossible".

I'm really bored. LOL!

 MonsterZero

The entire point of controlling time is to change enough of it.

Time and space, are all constructs that are interdependent for all of eternity....everything is always changing no matter what you measure it with or from where.

The entire universe around you is like a giant battery...in time all particles reach another equilibrium of a lower energy state ending in decay. 

This requires a very long time but that energy in the reaction you see around you does slow down eventually.

This is of course if you believe in only things that require the Higgs field...I have no doubt there will be something found beyond the plank constant beyond the Higgs field.

Black holes might hold quantum information for a longer period of time but they eventually change....there is no separate place in the entire universe from the entire universe.

I'm really bored. LOL!

Yeah, me too.

BigDave 's been missing for some time ;)

I think its Important to remember we are talking about SCI-FI and so your allowed some Creativity and to Curve the Lines of what is Science and what is Fiction/Fantasy ;)

I think the Franchise is already Confined to a BOX, which Prometheus had opened up but with Alien Covenant we have ONLY explored a CLOSE part of Space to Earth.

I think there is MASSIVE SCOPE to explore NEW Worlds, which our Imaginations can run Wild....

If we ever got a Sequel to Alien Covenant then MAYBE it would take us to Oriage-6 which would BE the Furthest we have Traveled in  the Franchise.  As it would seem that Oriage-6 would be about 350LY away.  But there is the Potential to go to other worlds Located 500, 700, 1000 or even 1500LY away within the Franchise.. especially the LATTER we go in the Time-Line

I think for some it may seem Interesting to bring the Beast or Engineers home to Earth.... but we have to bare in MIND this would Conflict the Franchise.... UNLESS it was revealed that Alien 3 and Alien R were merely Dreams!

However....... maybe you could introduce them to our Solar System another way?

I think it was GAVIN who proposed a PLOT about Discovering a Juggernaught at the BOTTOM of the Ocean.

In Light of Alien Covenant then i find it unlikely we would have EGGS on such a Ship that has been at the Bottom of the Sea for Thousands of Years... but as far as BLACK GOO!  well that could be Explored.

What happens when the Cargo of Black Goo becomes Disturbed or Unleashed?

But looking at the Comments on this TOPIC i think i can conclude a few things..

*It seems that more seem to be Interested in SOME of the things that Prometheus had Opened Up.  The Engineers being a Particular interest.

*It seems to be a Pretty Mixed Bag when it comes down to the Themes of Prometheus in context to Creation/Sub Creation.

*It seems to be a Pretty Mixed Bag when it comes down to the Emphasis on A.I and David... mostly the Xeno Creator Plot struck a Nerve with many.

*Seems that only a SMALL Proportion think we have to have Movies about the Xenomorphs.

*Exploration of New Worlds/Threats seems to be what is more appealing.

And so its as i said before on this TOPIC.... would the Fans accept a ALIEN Movie which does-not have the Xenomorph?

Prometheus never had the Xenomorph but maybe it needed something similar, Alien Covenant never really needed a Xenomorph.

so LETS go BACK and Change/Assume either or BOTH of these TWO things.

*Planet 4 was Located MUCH further away.

*David does-not go to Planet 4

Then if we go to the COVENANT MISSION and say that goes ahead BUT they DONT suffer any Malfunctions.

So the Covenant Ship and its Crew/Colonist make it to Origae-6 intact.

So imagine if Alien Covenant never happened as it did but instead we have it be about the Covenant Ship reaching ORIGAE-6!

Imagine as they Set Down on the Surface with NO threat and all seems FINE... they begin to BRING down Many parts of the Covenant.   They then go off to another Location thats FAR from any Lake... well where they had decided to SET UP their Base.

They Discover in what seems to be a Long Dead Jungle or Burred under Sand some remnants of a Ancient City, and then some Dead Humanoid Figures maybe TALLER than Humans.

They then come to a Water Source (if near Jungle) and by this we have the NEOMORPH SPORES... and the Neomorph is Introduced this WAY!

Or if the Ancient Ruins are discovered mostly Buried in Sand then they could uncover some Open Urns but then a CLOSED ONE... so they take that back to Base Camp thinking its some kind of Ancient Jar with NO threat... and we get a Outbreak/Infection this way.

Which ever route be it the Neomorph or some other Horror we could SHOW them go and Procreate via a Egg Morph... from these come some NEW kind of Face Hugger.

which Capture Hosts and Implant a Embryo (these Face Huggers do-not die after doing this and can infect Multiple Hosts)  then you have Chest Busters to give us another Monster that is a little Different to what had transpired already on Origae-6.

Then would SUCH a Movie (Provided Characters are Good) would this been seen as a ALIEN Movie?

You would make the Connection via the Weyland-Yutani Company Ship, and the Ancient Ruins and Urns would link to the Engineers.

Where we would be lead to that THIS was a World that had suffered a Bombardment of Black Goo at some point THOUSANDS of Years ago.

The Reason i mention this is that i feel the Neomorph was connected to the Xenomorph, we could see some Connection and so you DONT have to have Monsters that are a CARBON Copy as long as they either have something we can make a Connection to the Black Goo/Deacon/Xeno either Aesthetically or via its Life-Cycle/Procreation.

And while we did get AC.....  i think we CANT rule out that the Engineers had USED their Black Goo on some Worlds and wonder what HORRORS had came from this... because what Alien Covenant had shown was that the Neomorph was the Outcome on that World...   and i think its UNLIKELY the Engineers had NOT been and TESTED the Bio-Weapon on a World before.

"Exploration of New Worlds/Threats seems to be what is more appealing.

Prometheus never had the Xenomorph but maybe it needed something similar, Alien Covenant never really needed a Xenomorph."

Very very true.

I don't think we need to undo what AC gave us. There's plenty of scope to take the story off at a complete tangent.

I went to an oyster bar in Whitstable yesterday. I was looking at some slimy wet oyster innards on my plate thinking how much they looked like the upturned face hugger (I'm sure the prop had a few when Bishop was tampering). But also the shell of the oyster... knobbly, hard, organic, asymmetric... very creepy and alien. An oyster shell with fingers would make for a great new variant on a face hugger.

BigDave wrote: "Emphasis on A.I and David"

I think of David as a walking, talking version of Weyland Corp. He is a product of inbreeding. ..Walter/Bishop/Call on the other hand, are products of two different parents, Weyland and Yutani... Maybe? 

The Engineer's armored glove reached for him. The shield surrounding David 'crackled' with energy.  “Ahh...temper, temper”, David mouthed to the Engineer; sound waves not traveling outside his shield.  The heavily armored Engineer took a step back. David then stopped lightwaves from penetrating his shield.

"An oyster shell with fingers would make for a great new variant on a face hugger."

interesting. I imagine David had a similar revelation during his experiments on Planet 4.

It was. And it was really cool!

Leto that Certainly was Interesting a lot of Davids Notes and Life he found does indicate he had been using the Black Goo to Extract and Combine Various Traits from Various Organisms to achieve his Masterpiece.

I think the Wonder of going to NEW Worlds is to see how Varied the Environments and Life-Forms are, even regarding the Native Species...... 

A Newly Discovered World can be VERY Interesting.... but then VERY Horrific after the Pathogen is Unleashed.

I think the ALIEN Franchise had the Scope to NOT be restrained to Ripley and Xenomorphs, which i know is what the Franchise is Recognized for..

But there are other Elements at play.... Weyland-Yutani company History, Rivalry and WHAT else they do apart from Chase after Xenomorphs..   The Colonial Marines as ALIENS was not their First Bug Hunt and maybe NOT their First.   Then you have the Engineers and by Virtue of their Plot this OPENS up many Worlds, many Species which dont have to be Intelligent Humanoids....

These could all be Interesting before we even add the Pathogen or A.I Elements.

I think with ALIEN what it should symbolize is the Humanity Journey to the Depths of Space for whatever reasons that may be.. Colonization, Resources etc or purely Scientific Exploration..... then its going to ALIEN Worlds and Encountering a Threat... 

But for some you cant STEER from the Xenomorph.. well certainly have to have something Connected and so within context to the ALIEN Franchise i think you can introduce a ALIEN threat that is Connected either by being linked to the Experiments with the Black Goo/Result of the Pathogen or even Explore something that had STARTED all those Experiments.

I think you can make new Adventures in the ALIEN Franchise it would be just getting the Mainstream to look Beyond that a ALIEN Movie does not have to be about the Xenomorph on LV-426.

But i do think you can go back to the Xenomorph maybe for 1-2 more rounds if its done right and a bit different.

Cool. Where did you get that from,Leto?

It looks like cabbage when it's folded. 

We should have a museum dedicated to Alien, safe haven for all those brilliant props, sets and drawings. 

Ridley Scott is right, this franchise has the potential to be as big as Star Wars, the only thing that was missing was the kid friendly part, but now, in Disneyland, they could fix that too.

SuperAlien Kid friendly is different from when I was a kid. Things that pass as kid friendly now were considered adult material when I was a kid in the 70s. 

I have seen a few clips from Star Wars shows depicting Storm Troopers  heads on stakes and while interesting, this would have been a no no back then for kids.

Maybe some have an antiquated notion of what is kid friendly these days and not enough credit is given to younger people.

The pics Leto posted may have likely caused kids to be afraid 30 plus years ago, but might engage interest and fascination now with that demographic.

dk, kids are always curious and easily corrupted by many horrible things. The problem is nobody watch over them anymore, so I believe a pre-teen kid nowadays has seen many more monsters than his parents.

A SuperAlien chestbursting from the Superman himself would attract more kids (parents and grandparents included) into the theaters than a Deacon chestbursting from an Engineer. Who could feel for an Engineer, even knowing he was the last of the Engineers? But you did like Superman when you were a kid, didn't you?

Now, that's what I call kid friendly.