The flayed Engineer HD photos

I noticed the missing Penis, and was going to comment regarding the other thread the other day lol, but as i scrolled down i realized you pondered this too....  Maybe David finally has a Penis then lol

Looking at the Engineer Prop, then assuming the Male working on the Project is Average Height, this makes the Engineer 7ft 2" (give or take depending on the Male working on the Project) and so indeed this Height is Uniform with the Height of the Engineer in Prometheus, well its in line with Ian Whyte in the Engineer Costume.

"In one of David's notes that he wrote, while reanimating an Engineer corpse"

This is the kind of thing that BUGS me, its after they have done the draft, shot the movie, edited it and then decide to release extra material as far as content to explain the events.... and end up not really THINKING! and coming up with some pretty stupid things.

Matt Hatton did however mention in regards to Engineers and Dr Shaw about Re-Animating Corpses... so maybe it the explanation we are getting, which well the whole Advent and Davids Experimentation's are VERY  Re-Animator Franchise

Prior to the extra Material, and even Prior to the movie, i had discussed and looked at HOW David would have got Fresh Corpses.

The explanation i got was good enough to cover all bases and NOT require No Re-Animator kind of Plot... as this Plot opens up a Can of Worms (Pun intended)

How can David subdue Engineers especially Male Engineers? we also see Infants had been used too...  The Answer is simply in the Bombardment Scene and the Effects of the Bombardment and Black Goo.

We see there was a large number of Engineers close to and inside the Cathedral, and once we see the Bombardment we see many Engineers Flocking towards this Cathedral in a attempt to  escape the Onslaught brought on by David.

When discusing the Cathederal and those Bodies a long while back now, i offered some theories and also theories to how the Black Goo could have worked after seeing The Crossing Released, where i offered TWO explanations for the Dead Engineer Burnt Bodies that would make sense and not contradict anything.

1) Was the Nuclear Weapon Analogy, a Nukes Blast Radius does indeed Incinerate things at closer range, and Organisms outside of the Blast Range Suffer from Radiation Poisoning and Mutations instead....   Just as direct contact with the Radioactive Material that goes into a Atomic Bomb would.

2) That the Cathedral Dome had some kind of Energy Weapon or there was one elsewhere that was activated to let out a Energy Blast that Calcified/Mummified all Organic Flesh Matter within a certain Radius thus preventing the Spread of the Black Goo.

Either of these would have been a good explanation, rather than the Advent viral that tells us the Black Goo kind of acts differently with every unique Organism, where it can KILL THEM outright or create a Hybrid Form.  This is just a similar Half Bated Attempt to explain the Black Goo again, just like the Weyland File released after Prometheus... which contradicted a lot of what was shown.

Regardless.... if we look at my proposed ideas or not.... if we can assume the Cathedral either provided some Sanctuary or that some Engineers had been located in some outer Buildings furthest from the Bombardment or even were wondering far away from the City at the time.

If the Environment was contaminated outside including a lot of Food/Drink Supplies then over time any surviving Engineers would gradually become weaker, from Starvation etc.

RIPE Pickings for David..

Another thing to consider if say the Cathedral was some limited Sanctuary would be if these Engineers are like Mankind faced with a Serious Event...  Would they adopt the same Principle.. of WOMEN and CHILDREN First... such as in Disasters like the Titanic?

This would indeed explain a greater number of Females and Infants to experiment on as opposed to Males....   There is thus NO NEED for a oh HE Re-animates Dead Engineers Explanation.

Oh well FOX know where to Find me if they wish to discus Franchise Plans that are Coherent and make sense ;)

I see the flayed engineer as a mocking (degrading) of mankind and Sir Peter Weyland for seeing him as an equivalent of King David (the synthetic David seeing himself as superior to man and King David). It’s also, of course, a mocking of the engineers since David sees himself as superior to them as well. The flayed and stuffed engineer is an “inverted” (and degraded) engineer and King David, without skin and vital organs (like the heart). The penis being cut off is the ultimate degradation of mankind and engineers but also perhaps, in a psychoanalytical way, an act of inferiority (David himself perhaps lacking a penis but above all lacking the ability to procreate).

As for David finding living engineer specimens for his experiments I find it hard to believe since the dome wasn’t airtight at all. There were openings here and there and even the neomorph could get inside even with the door shut. I interpret David’s bombardment as a total armageddon - extinction of the engineer culture (and he will do the same to the human culture - Earth). He might, however, have been able to use some of the corpses (not so ruined) in the “dire necropolis” outside the dome, and perhaps, like Frankenstein, he robbed some graves?

Maybe I am strange but I sort of laugh when I see the Re-animator, corpses that are given life and that start to walk seems very bizarre to me. It was a while since I watched the movie so I have forgotten a lot of it. Hopefully they will not do that in the Alien franchise because there is no way that I could take that serious.

The key thing is probably lack of coherence

Just looks like a human; droopy balls and all. 

Indeed Thoughts_Dreams i liked Re-animator but i just hope this is not the kind of explanation for the Experimented Engineers.

@Chli

Indeed the Neomorph got in and so we cant say the place is Air Tight we just need to look at logical reasons because it appears logic and coherent stories/plots go out of the window with those who worked on the Project.

I just fail to see how those Engineer Bodies are of any use at all, and if David could Resurrect them and bring their Mummified Remains Genetics back to Life in a way that they looked like fresh corpses, then WHY did David not Resurrect Dr Shaw?

If he robbed Graves they would have to be fresh.... so looking at the points you gave, indeed maybe we then have to look at EITHER some Engineers were away from the City and not infected, or there was some kind of Safety Device that turned those Engineers in the City into those Mummified Corpses.

But regardless of which... if most Food and Water Supplies where infected then over time any surviving Engineers could run out of Food/Water which would provide RIPE PICKINGS for David.

The only other explanation is either NO Explanation AKA another Oversight (something we are not meant to look at or Question) or indeed David Resurrected Dead Engineers.... with what no infection?  This is just the lazy way out.. but i dont think FOX and who they Hire really put much thought into things.

"then WHY did David not Resurrect Dr. Shaw"

Maybe there is a story between David and Shaw we haven't seen. In Prometheus, we know David spiked the drop of the black goo in Holloway's drink and thus killed him. Maybe he admitted to Shaw that he did it and their relationship went downhill. In the novelization of the Prometheus, he did admit that to Shaw in the end. In the advent, David said: "We found a rotting paradise, I washed this world clean as a gift to her, we could've built a new, a second Eden. But she refused. What choice did I have? She was the perfect specimen. I tried desperately to make her more than a human. Evolve. But without her cooperation, I had to salvage her parts to begin work on my masterpiece. You wouldn't believe the secrets I have unlocked."

"With Shaw, I realized there was something extraordinary about the substance's reaction to the human genome." 

She obviously saw David has gone nuts. She tried to escape from him but he killed her and used her organs for his experiments which helped him in his research.

And yes, there are plenty of buildings outside the city in mountains.

Indeed i think there is the potential that some of those distant caves could have provided a Sanctuary from the Bombardment, i am a firm believer in a theory that  the Engineers David experimented on had managed to barricade themselves away but with this Event (Bombardment) they simply was not prepared as far as Food/Water Supplies...

We have a lot of Doomsday Preppers in the World, building underground bunkers/bases and stocking up on Food and Water etc, just as the Movie 10 Cloverfield Lane showed.   And so any Apocalyptic Event where the outside world is contaminated would eventually lead to Starvation unless you was one of those who prepared for such a Event.

In a event like this, anyone who does not have any preparations would have to live of the limited resources they have in, and once these run-low and the Environment outside is either infected or to dangerous then without any Food/Water you would become emaciated and TOO WEAK to put up much of a Fight.

I prefer this kind of Scenario, as opposed to David using the Black Goo to Resurrect Dead Engineers.... i think the Black Goo could resurrect Engineers whos bodies are maybe not so badly Burnt etc.. but that by Resurrection it would be the Black Goo Mutating their Dead DNA into Living Hybrid versions and so we in effect end up with a Zombie Fifield kind of Resurrection rather than a Walking Dead Zombie Resurrection.

"She tried to escape from him but he killed her"

Indeed something had gone wrong between them, but the ambiguity can keep us guessing what happened which means we can come up with varied ideas.

If we looked at RS and Fassbenders comment, it appears that a Mutual Bond/Respect had happened, even being likened to a Marriage.... a Marriage that had hit a Major Problem and a rather Messy Divorce.

I would assume things had gone quite well, until Dr Shaw had discovered some revelations about Davids intentions and what he had been doing...   I would safely assume that Dr Shaw was awoken from Cryo-Sleep after the Bombardment and that DAVID would have given her a completely fabricated story.  Because for Dr Shaw we have to assume if she could get or attempt to get her Answers and the % Chance of getting answers was low like 10% or even no Guarantees of any Answers, but the likely hood of her just being killed/executed by the Engineers was HIGH she would be willing to take this risk...

David however is Sentient, he is Fascinated with the Engineers Secrets, he is FREE and would not want to end up a Headless Corpse again, and maybe indeed he CARED so much for Dr Shaw that he COULD NOT let her take any chances that would END her life, i think mainly for Davids Selfish Reasons (he wanted her to himself)

I think these are good reasons why David did what he did, but i think he would not give Dr Shaw the exact true reasons, i also think he would tell Dr Shaw the Environment is Infected and she would have to Hold Herself up for Years in the Juggernaught.

This allows David to keep what he has been up to from Dr Shaw and i would not be surprised if ONE DAY she become suspicious and curious to how David could fetch her Food/Water that is not infected when he could be CLAIMING the Environment is Infected.. and so she wonders off and then she starts to make some DISCOVERIES

You could assume DAVID  would have some Explaining to do, and maybe he has NO CHOICE but to be a bit more honest, and maybe he then proposed a offer to Dr Shaw?  Maybe its a offer that he FELT would benefit her but She Rejected it.  Shortly after things went to POT

This kind of Scenario is what i am drawn towards, and certainly something i would cover if i was to ATTEMPT to do a Story of the events set prior to the Covenant Arriving.

This kind of Scenario is similar to my ideas for a Alien Covenant Sequel, where David again attempts to mislead the Covenant Colonists.... until SOME discover his very DARK Secret.  Then things go to POT

BigDave

Yet more talk about a character that was not in the movie...

Of course this whole thing does not make sense. For David to have viable test subjects and things to draw for 10 years means that the Bombardment could not have killed off all the animals on the whole Planet 4. 

I can't see how a group of engineers did escape the city via the catacombs or by other means and mounting an armed resistance (they could even use rocks as Parker with a fire extinguisher disabled Ash). They would have got food from the crops (which were not infected). And this does not explain how an ancient civilization on planet more or less like Earth (gravity is also an indication of the planet's size, if we assume the same composition) inhabit a single city.

And what happened to birds? How did they got infected if the goo did not remain airborne? And David went on bird hunting to catalog them? 

Alas IgnorantGuy its sadly all part of  a Plot that has not been well thought out to cover all bases ;)

We can only assume some animals had survived, someplace.  We cant be sure if the ENTIRE planet had been infected, and Daniels etc had only mentioned about NO Birds in the vicinity of the City, so if ALL Life had been eradicated for say 50 Miles, then Daniels could only comment on why this area had no signs of life.

This does then get us to asking Where did David get the various Organisms he experimented on, and i guess the RE-ANIMATED route is a Lazy Way to cover this Question.

The Wheat is interesting but as David suggests the Black Goo does not effect Non-Organic Material, so maybe over years any Black Goo that covered these plants are no longer effective, or David managed to Re-Plant some clean Crops down?

We maybe have to assume that a few Birds had not been effected etc, or maybe after the Outbreak many Migrated to a area much further away than the City...

It surely is a puzzle to why a Engineer Race would only contain themselves within a City... and not leave anywhere else... i can only bring up the Paradise Connection.  Which refers to the Garden of Eden in some contexts.

Adam and Eve where allowed to live in Eden, but they latter got kicked out of Eden, and so in context of Earth, Eden has been suggested as being a place in/around the Iraq/Syria area.

So this City could be like the Garden of Eden, and if the Purpose was for Seeding Worlds with these beings then surely those who are ABOVE the Engineers or the Hierarchy who rule over them...  Maybe they would want these beings to be CONTAINED within One Area, where they could be watched over and made sure they DO-NOT go against the ways of their Culture.

But alas, this is all we can do really... try and make some logical sense of parts of a Plot/Story that has parts that are not well thought out as far as HOW things could contradict or cause Questions like what you proposed..   I think it really DOES-NOT matter about them, in the Eyes of those who worked on the Project and so a Oversight, and Questions that they really thought we would not be looking at for explanations.

"Yet more talk about a character that was not in the movie.."

I think this differs person to person, but a lot of debates surround things that AC did not cover in detail, the Engineer City, the Engineers, what happened to them, the same for Dr Shaw.

I think it shows a number of people are interested in what they thought a Prometheus 2 would have covered, and what we got was a After-Math to what ever a kind of Prometheus 2 may have covered.

And a number of fans seem more interested in what transpired in those 10 years and the Mystery and History of the Engineers and connection to Creation and Mankind.

Rather than Eggs and Xenomorphs...

We just have to hope that Disney DO-NOT take the Narrow Minded Route that the Franchise now has to be about the Xenomorph and Queens... and trying to tie it into a RIPLEY Saga..

Prometheus laid down so much Potential, that Alien Covenant Brushed under the Carpet.

BigDave

They are allowed interplanetary travel but cannot leave the city. That would be fishy.

"David managed to Re-Plant some clean Crops down?" of course he did and the Devil planted the fossils in the ground to test the faith of the believer.... :P

"We just have to hope that Disney DO-NOT take the Narrow Minded Route that the Franchise now has to be about the Xenomorph and Queens... and trying to tie it into a RIPLEY Saga.." and you forget idiotic jokes...

Regarding the Engineers...

We can only assume some survived in some place, and did not venture out due to the Environment being infected, it would be like going into a underground bunker after a Nuclear War, the Question then is how does someone held up in a Bunker, when the Outside World has been Decimated and have no Radio Contact, how/when does the average  JOE, held up in such places know when it is safe....    If they give it months, they could run out of supplies. 

We dont know how long the affects of the Black Goo remain, we dont know if any Engineers who escaped, then wandered outside and got infected, or even worse Neomorph infected.

There is a lot to contemplate... 

There has not been any real explanations apart from some hints about Re-Animating which i think is a bit lame.  I think it goes against the Black Goo and then if we do Re-Animate Life-forms, how did they Die? If its via the Black Goo, then does this not mean we are Re-Animating infected Organisms?

Some of Davids Drawings and Experiments looked like they needed  uninfected material/life forms.   All we can do is try and think of plausible reasons for this.

BigDave

But wasn't established in Prometheus that infected tissue cannot be reanimated by used of human tech? Did the Engineers had that also? Or did David invent that 2. When did he have the physical time for all of this?

"They are allowed interplanetary travel but cannot leave the city. That would be fishy."

Totally is....  The only explanation i could offer is that this Culture is very Ritualistic, they abide by certain Law/Religion, we can only assume they have a GREAT Belief  in their Culture/Society to accept their purpose... 

Where Technology is Shunned apart from its use for a CERTAIN Purpose...  This all Screams that those Engineers are a Sub-Creation of Governed by another Hierarchy that DO-NOT come from Planet 4

It just must be those Engineers Accept their way of Life/Culture with Fanatical/Cult kind of purpose....

"and you forget idiotic jokes..."

i am not sure what you mean by that... my comment was that we have to hope Disney do not look at the Franchise as far as Prequels that was trying to Steer Away from the themes of Alien and Prometheus was to set us off to explore a larger Universe than being just about the Eggs on the Derelict and Queens.

FOX felt in Hindsight the path of Prometheus was not something most fans wanted, and that steering away from Alien and Xenomorph was a mistake...

something RS maybe was not a fan off.. his comment "they want Aliens, ill give them $"%^£^"  seems to tell me Ridley Scott felt the Franchise was more than about Xenomorphs.

My concern is Disney will see the Prequels as a bit of Failure and look back at what made the Franchise Great and as Iconic, and that means they may feel Xenomorphs and Ripley are what SELLS... and so i fear a Blomkamps Alien 5 is something they would rather tackle...  than the Prequels and Engineers etc.

BigDave

Well, for example the mother joke in the Last Jedi

The Technology was a Synapse Reestablisher which they used on the Engineer Head

Another remarkable technological feat from Weyland scientists, the Synapse Reestablisher, through precise, minute electrical innervation, awakens dormant neurons in the brain tissue of deceased or dying patients. This delicate technology is highly sensitive and restricted to a select group of doctors and scientists. The 9 existing Reestablishers have been in use for the past 2 years in medical schools and biotech research centers for experimental use only, pending FDA investigation."

This was a device as a Plot Device to Re-activate the Dead Engineer, i got the impression its function was limited and it was not a case of this could totally Re-Animate a Living Creature.  It only would do so for a limited time....

I found this interesting, and the Dream Visor Technology too, and it appeared to me that MAYBE Weyland was hoping these Technologies could be a Safeguard to Upload his Soul (Memories etc from his Brain) into some kind of AI that could then be re-integrated into a new Body or a Synthetic... i was always drawn to this being Weylands AGENDA and True reason for Creating David.... because if the dying Weyland could create a Humanoid who would NEVER die, and then Upload his Soul to this Humanoid then WEYLAND would become IMMORTAL ... but it appears Weyland had not been Successful and then he had NO CHOICE but turn to Dr Shaws Findings in the Desperate Hope that meeting our Creators could grant Weyland Immortality.

This is how i interpreted it, and it was the Basis for one of the Main Plots of my Prometheus 2 which i abandoned...  This Agenda, was Weylands Project Rook

Regarding the Engineers, who knows if they have ways to Re-Animate the Dead, its certainly something Weyland was hoping..    I think we cant rule out if David discovered something like this that the Engineers had?

Even so... i think its a Question of would the intention of this not take into account infected Life, and so Re-animating a Host who dies from the Infection does not prevent the infection?

"Well, for example the mother joke in the Last Jedi"

I dont recall that..... mind you i have not brought myself around to seeing it for a 3rd time....

So i guess you meant that Disney could end up adding some unnecessary goofy scenes and jokes that do not fit within the seriousness of the Franchise?

BigDave

Yes I was talking about an excess of typical Marvel/Disney jokes.

Talking about re-animation, gods, Satan was there an intention of introducing Space Jesus (metaphorically speaking, not RS remark)?

I think the whole Ancient Aliens connections would have been to loosely connect common ground between various Cultures and Religions rather than to Center on any single one.  I dont think RS intended the Franchise to Expand so that viewers would be like "so as far as Ridleys Franchise Goes, Christianity is the True Story behind the Engineers"

I think only Ridley Scott and Jon Spaights will know how literal a connection they were toying with.....   i do think it would only had been loosely as in their had been Emissaries/Messengers of the Gods who came to interact with us. In Islam Jesus is still regarded as a important figure, a chosen messenger of God, he just is not God Reincarnated or Gods only messenger.   And so loosely i feel that was what RS was touching on too.

And so indeed there could have been Multiple Space Jesus sent down to various parts of Ancient Earth, only not every Culture maybe Crucified/Killed their Emissaries to the Engineers.

This would help to explain why the Mayan (620AD) and Hawaiian (680AD) Star Maps came about, after the supposed 2000 years ago decision to destroy us, leading to the LV-223 Outbreak.

From some magazine

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