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Arcturians and bug hunts and thoughts

Grinning & Dropping Linen

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make no mistake I love the movie Aliens, I liked the queen on screen as an 8th grader. That movie is still one of the best Sci fi or action movies ever made.

while I've made comments on other boards about admiring the queen but also knowing that by having a queen it does reduce the Xenos to a dangerous insect. It also makes how the Xenos much more understandable and relatable and by definition we as humans don't fear things as much if we understand them. 

That being said the queen is still cool as hell,  it just reduces things somewhat ...reduces the unknown, the unexplained, reduces the xeno itself, reduces storytelling itself.... But I still feel there is place for a queen without reducing things if certain storytelling steps and mythology are firmed up and pursued. Ancient horrors and crazy alien unexplainable mutations brought Xenos into existence, no queen needed, allow for egg morphing and mutation, so that a single organism is lethal and can overwhelm an ecosystem or civilization through mutating victims, once a large enough population of Xenos exists then one would morph into a queen as a mechanism to maintain and strengthen the hive.

As I explained in my long winded method, I love Aliens and I can deal with and accept the queen with a little storytelling help the thing most about Aliens that bugs me , ( no pun intended), are two things in order of maximum grevience to me

1. The mention of Arcturians--it makes it no big deal for the characters in Alien or Alien to run into alien species in space.... It takes away the awe and the unknown quality of the vastness of space , the mention of Arcturians was a cheesy moment akin to Star Trek or something. I like my sense of awe and wonderment and them introducing this concept lessens that.... In my mind and preference they have not run into any other sentient life forms in space, it's just better that way at that point in this film universe

2. The mention of bug hunts bothers me a little but it is no where near the sin that playfully chatting about Arcturians was. I feel it would be better for these tough soldiers to have never encountered any life, almost thinking of Ripleys tale in the vein of a Bigfoot story. I tell myself everytime I watch Aliens that the bugs on the Bug hunts are very basic creatures, smallish and I lethal, unintelligent and most of resemble insects on earth directly, just bigger. But I can deal with it by thinking the bugs they have dealt with are the most basic of life forms and so encountering the Xenos still was beyond their wildest imaginations and nightmares. 

Everything in this film universe works best if there is minimal life out there in the vast blackness, it makes whatever horrors our protagonists encounter that much more horrifying and nightmarish

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Spot on Diz! You're not wrong. Back in '86 film directors didn't have to worry about easily-accessible, public internet forums where excited fans could gather to hyper-analysis every detail of your film lol.

I also agree most of the CMs were just chattering to fill out the scene. They apparently filmed that scene last so that the cast had spent significant time together and had developed a camaraderie between them. A lot of those line were improvised throw-away comments as you said.   

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All that Arcturian poontang and cornbread stuff was scripted.

"S.M - Walked into this one.

 

Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away...

I told you, it wasn't indigenous. There was an alien spacecraft there. A derelict ship."
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S.M

"As I said above, I believe the context backs me up.  It's bug hunt vs. stand up fight.  When Gorman uses the term Xenomorph Hicks confirms its a bug hunt then asks what they're dealing with.  They've got a pretty good idea they'll be fighting some indigenous lifeform that the colonist couldn't handle.  Even the nature of Vasquez 'where they are' joke indicates they'll be fighting something, very likely vastly inferior, as they have in the past."

 

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So what?

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"Everything in this film universe works best if there is minimal life out there in the vast blackness, it makes whatever horrors our protagonists encounter that much more horrifying and nightmarish"

Grinning & Dropping Linen, I can't agree more with your last paragraph above. I read the Aliens novelization decades ago and was very excited to see Aliens on the screen. That being said, yes, Ridley Scott makes the emptiness more scary to me with the threat coming from ourselves (arrogance). The Engineers and their history is more than enough to represent third parties in the great Deep.

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@ingeniero

im glad to know That someone out there appreciates the same themes and concepts I love most about this film universe.... It's the dark unknown, interacting with that unknown the sense of awe and terrifying realization that darkness of space holds nightmares and may hold others our protagonists have yet had the misfortune of stumbling into....thanks for appreciating my take on this stuff 

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You're most welcome Grinning & Dropping Linen.

The concept of the ancient technology (black goo) cultivated by the Engineers in their own way (LV-223 at the very least) with what we saw in Prometheus and Alien is much better than a galactic zoo picture. You read more about economics, robotics, weapons design, and biotech when reading the Weyland Industries corporate history than time spent mapping extraterrestrial species. Good.

I can't wait to see who the Engineers answer to. And, what do the humans say about David 8 deciding that humanity's time is over?

I want to see how many humans disagree with David 8 wanting to wipe them out.

What do the humans try to do to a self-aware, vain, organism-creating, multi-planet conquering David 8? They better not mess up his hair or humanity is really in for it.

Is Weyland-Yutani Corporation so immersed in artificial intelligence that it doesn't matter what the humans want and artificial intelligence will impede an attack by the humans on David 8?

When-if humanity is giving David 8's plans a thumbs down and going to war with him, who (black goo creators/caretakers) shows up and wants to discuss what happened to the Engineers or those wiped out on Paradise?

 

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I know this thread is dated but since I'm reading A:SoS I thought I'd share something.

Excerpt from the Book:

"We’re talking a find that may be bigger than anything we’ve run across since first contact with the Arcturians.”
Chatter erupted throughout the group, and Decker felt a sudden wave of excitement that washed over him like a wave. The Arcturians had been the first alien race mankind had encountered, and those initial meetings had marked a turning point for the human race."

I think this makes it clear Arcturians are not human colonists.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

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