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Gavin

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Ever since Neill Blomkamp posted concept art showing off his vision for a new installment in the Alien franchise fans have been speculating as to how the South-African director could plausibly resurrect not just the franchises anchor Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver), but also her surviving comrades from James Cameron's 1986 sequel Aliens, Corporal Dwayne Hicks (Michael Biehn ) and Rebecca "Newt" Jorden (Carrie Henn). Considering that none of these characters survived David Fincher's Alien 3 and that Blomkamp's concept art shows that characters to have aged accordingly as though the events of Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection never occurred many fans have assumed that Blomkamp's movie would retcon the latter two installments from the franchise, despite Blomkamp's assertations that this is not the case.

While fans share Blomkamp, Weaver, and Biehn's excitement about what the former has in store for his addition to the Alien franchise, Ridley Scotts insistence that his next movie Alien: Covenant take priority over Blomkamp's hotly anticipated addition has been interpreted by many fans and critics as a greedy move by the aging British director. Scott, who helped launch the franchise back in 1979, is currently expanding the mythos behind the "Space Jockey" dead alien pilot seen in the first movie and its relationship to and with the Eggs discovered beneath his tomb. Scott's first attempt at establishing that mythology started with 2012's Prometheus, but after a divided reception from audiences can Scott really justify that his new Alien movie is more "important" than Blomkamp's.

Blomkamp's vision for the next "true" Alien movie has ignited flames of speculation among many fans with many wildly theorizing how beloved characters Hicks and Newt could possibly return to the big screen. With such rife speculation, fans have suggested far-reaching science fiction tropes such as time travel and alternate realities, while Blomkamp keeps his cards close to his chest about the movies narrative, which has been described as a fond farewell to Ripleys character while also allowing the story to continue as it should have after James Cameron's Aliens. Interestingly, however, the South African director's assurances that he will not be retconning David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet's less favored installments has fans somewhat perplexed.

For months we have all postulated the possibilities of how Blomkamp's Alien movie will fit within the franchise as organically as he claims, although in all honesty none of these theories hold any weight under even the slightest scrutiny - until now. Blomkamp has released concept art showing Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn, and Carrie Henn, as they look today, as though their characters have aged 30 years along with the rest of us. This is the most obvious clue to what I choose to believe (sorry) are the secrets behind Blomkamp's narrative, hidden in plain sight. If these characters have aged 30 years and are still alive in what would be circa 2209 then ergo none of these characters died on Fiorina "Fury" 161. Of course, this flies against the evidence of what we saw in Alien 3 unless the events of that movie were not as they seemed.

Where am I going with all this? The answer, the secret behind the "on hold" Alien movie is actually quite simple and in its simplicity quite ingenious of Blomkamp to have imagined this outcome. Alien 3 was not a bad dream, and Blomkamp's movie is not the result of mankind's meddling with the space-time continuum - if Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are to have survived and have aged then they did not die on Fiorina 161. Those that did die on the derelict penal colony were not the characters we believed them to be because they were... clones.

 

I believe that the events that occurred on Fiorina 161 were an elaborate ruse by a third party to make the Weyland-Yutani corporation believe they had lost access to the Xenomorph. Throughout the narrative of the first three movies, there is a sense of cloak-and-dagger, of subterfuge, in which the Weyland-Yutani corporation are attempting to acquire specimens of the deadly alien creature covertly. Such covert actions suggest that Weyland-Yutani has been disallowed direct action by a superior body or organization one of which watches all of Weyland-Yutani's dealings, exchanges, and transports.

One would imagine that such a powerful force, possibly governmental would have become aware of Weyland-Yutani's repeated interest in Acheron LV-426 and the surviving member of the USCSS Nostromo, Ellen Ripley, possibly forcing their hand into taking direct action to ensure that Weyland-Yutani never acquires a specimen of the Xenomorph by elaborately staging the untimely death of Ellen Ripley while securing the source of the deadly alien creature, as evidenced in some of Blomkamp's concept art.

To clarify, and to elaborate for those wanting more detail, the theory I am suggesting is as thus...

 

After the events of "Aliens" the USS Sulaco is boarded and Ripley, Hicks, and Newt are woken from hypersleep. While they are still groggy a team of "white coats" take blood samples before drugging our survivors. The trio is taken aboard another vessel, with Ripley accompanying the whitecoat's whom, using advanced technology (possibly Engineer in origin) use the collected blood samples to produce clones, with Ripley's brainwaves and memories being imprinted onto her clone. These three clones are then taken aboard the USS Sulaco were a team is finishing up reprogramming the remains of the ships Bishop android.

Two Xenomorph eggs (taken from the derelict on LV-426) are then brought on board the Sulaco, one placed in the hypersleep room, the other in the EEV. Newt is drowned and Hicks is otherwise killed, ensuring one of the Facehuggers will use Ripleys clone as a host and the Sulaco is sent on its way to Fiorina 161 with no record or evidence of the secret boarding. The events of Alien 3 occur with the Weyland-Yutani corporation thinking they have lost all access to the Xenomorph.

Who would go to such lengths and why? W-Y's actions thus far suggest they are not allowed to pursue Engineer technology, probably because of the events of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. With Engineer tech being so inherently dangerous it has been ordered by powers greater than W-Y, such as a governmental body (possibly Korean or Japanese from Blomkamp's art), that the discovery of any such tech must be reported to this body to be destroyed. Having originally discovered this tech on LV-223, and already smitten by the possibilities it offers W-Y have acted covertly to obtain the tech instead of reporting it (Alien - Alien 3). Thus this governmental body uses clones of the Sulaco survivors in an elaborate ruse to make W-Y believe they have lost all access to the Xenomorph creature they are so desperate in obtaining.

 

In Short (as there seems to be some confusion) The Ripley, Hicks, and Newt that will appear in Blomkamp's movie are the same characters as those from Aliens, just older. The clones mentioned in the theory above where planted aboard the EEV. This is why Hicks remains were so unrecognizable, it saved the perpetrators the trouble of recreating his facial scar. The Hicks in the concept art has the facial scar because it was burnt to his face during the events of Aliens. The clones were planted on the EEV in an elaborate ruse explained in more detail above by whoever is the human "power that be" in the Alien universe.

 

Of course, Blomkamp's concept art suggests that this governmental body has no intention of destroying Engineer technology and wants to obtain it for themselves and is successful in doing just that. Though how and why this leads to Ripley becoming part Xenomorph I have yet to imagine a viable theory. The possibilities of Blomkamp is bringing to the table has rekindled by faith in this franchise. But does my theory stand up to your scrutiny?

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Interesting idea....

Yes the cloning and why bother is a good argument against such a idea... as is the WHY does Hicks Clone have the Scar too?

If we look at this as a professional inside job, then maybe some persons on Fiorina 161 could be behind it and in on it.

If you cloned Hicks he would have no Scar, but if the Hicks Clone is to be used as merely a decoy and they planned to kill him off then a Professional Job would have them burn the Clone on the Face after they had been cloned.

The big question is Why would they keep Ripley, Hicks and Newt... if they only needed one and would impregnate one with a Xenomorph then would they need the others?

If they used Newt... they just need a clone of her and then send Clone Newt, and Real Hicks and Ripley to their deaths in the EEV.

The biggest problem with this theory for me is this...

"Two Xenomorph eggs (taken from the derelict on LV-426) are then brought on board the Sulaco"

Then why would they need Ripley, Hicks or Newt?  They could just get their hands on other Hosts.....

I think the only reason Ripley was needed in Alien 3 and Alien R was because the infected Ripley was the only means the companies had of obtaining a Xenomorph... or a Queen.

 

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"Ridley Scotts insistence that his next movie Alien: Covenant take priority over Blomkamp's hotly anticipated addition has been interpreted by many fans and critics as a greedy move by the aging British director"

I am not quite sure this is the case.... to me it appears Miss Weaver is the one with the Greedy Agenda... and i bet she wont pass the Torch and a Alien 6 would have her in it.  She had said before that she would love to be a part of Ridleys Prometheus Sequel and so she wants to be to the Alien Franchise as Arnie is to the Terminator.

Ridley Scott is no Spring Chicken.... he lost creative control of how the Alien would evolve as a sequel.... Cameron took over on Aliens and brought in his own ideas.

The TWO things that had never been answered were... Who was the Space Jockey, and how did those Eggs come to be.... so the Origins and Agenda of the Space Jockey and Xenomorph are things that had never been addressed and something that Ridley can Rubber Stamp his own ideas on.

At 78 Ridley Scott would rather sooner than latter take on the task of connecting Prometheus to Alien and Answer the Origins and Agenda of the Engineers and Xenomorph.

Ridleys plans required at least Two Sequels.... but he also had a busy schedule..... which is now freed up.... The Alien Franchise is of that much importance to him that he has forgone a direct role in his other Baby... Blade Runner another Great Ridley Scott Sci-Fi which has had no sequel and so no one else s hands on how things would follow on.

Ridley Scott is getting old.... he knows the process of making movies is long and the best case scenario to produce TWO Prometheus Sequels would take 3-4 years (can be done in less if done like they did with some movies like Back to Future 2-3 and the last installments of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potters).

Ridley would know, and he did say the Beast was Cooked... the Xeno had been done to death and he wanted to try something a bit different and a sequel that would further span away from Alien....

With Alien 5 we get more Queens, more Xenos and more Ripley which we have seen a lot and Ripley did die... only to then be brought back with Alien Resurrection and so Ridley may have thought that Alien Prequels and expanded universe relating to the Engineers is more important than another ALIEN MOVIE

Ridley had commitments with Gods and Kings and the Martian and it was at these times that Blomkamps Alien 5 ideas came to light...

The internet was a buzz with the anticipation and hype of a Aliens Sequel that would do the first movie justice after the more disappointments of Alien 3 and Alien R...

Fox could see this.... and gauge that it was more anticipated than the sequel to a Alien Prequel that most fans never got and casual fans may never had know was a Alien movie.

So Alien 5 was given the Green Light, byt Ridley had convinced Fox that his project would be better to be done first....  

Alien 5 had some elements that would have conflicted and stepped on the toes of his plans for Prometheus 2

A comming together with Fox, Ridley and Blomkamp had came about where they discussed both movies and how they tie into the Franchise... and it seems some of Alien 5 had been changed and Ridley was taken on as Producer.

Then Ridleys Prometheus 2 had gone through some changes to tie it more to Alien and cover the Xeno more... as well it would appear that with the anticipation with Alien 5 and more Xenos and disappointment that Prometheus never had any or answered the BIG QUESTIONS

It seems Fox have maybe changed a bit of Prometheus 2 to be a Alien Prequel... and to maybe cover the Xeno more and less Engineer so that Alien fans get their FIX..... Ridley gets to cover the Origins of the Xeno first which would leave Alien 5 freedom to touch upon anything related to the Xeno and Engineers without spoiling plans for Prometheus sequels if Alien 5 had came out first.

This then leaves future Alien Prequels to cover more, and eventually if done well... it would then finally leave fans wanting to go re-watch Prometheus or see it if they have not already.... and then be interesting more in WHAT ELSE do this Engineers get up to...

Ultimately Ridley wants to Rubber Stamp the Space Jockey, and Xenomorph Agenda, Origins and Connection especially regarding the Xeno Bio-Weapon and the Derelict.

Better to answer these sooner than latter, as if Ridley left it... and got to the point where he is to old to influence the Story/Questions or even if he is not around to shoot them.

He would not want to see those Questions Answered in ways that would make him Turn in his Grave.... and so he would rather get these things finished..

This is why he us pushing to get Alien Covenant done first and its why he has taken a less hands on role with Blade Runner.  He cares about the Alien Franchise and i bet he wants to see this connection to completion.

He did say this would take 2-3 movies... including Alien Covenant.

 

 

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 Certainly is a nice idea in the OT however...

But i think what they mean by how Alien 5 will relate to Alien 3 and Alien R is as follows...

Alien happens and Aliens... they are pushing that Prometheus and the Alien Prequels happen...

Then after the events of Aliens.... Fans are given two alternative routes.....  Alien 3 and Alien R  ... or Alien 5 and no doubt Alien 6.

And its down to the fans to chose which route they prefer and even to enjoy both routes... but both routes are not connected....  just as Miss Weaver said... its a Fork in the Road.

Like playing the 80's Arcade Racer Outrun every player starts off and has to finish and go through the first stage.... but then you reach a Fork in the Road... Take the Right and you go off on a different path and location.... take the Left and its another different path.

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@ Big Dave, the theory is much more simpler than you have read into it. Hicks in the concept art is Hicks from Aliens, not a clone - the clone was on the EEV. Everyone on the EEV was a clone!

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The Company has shown scant regard for corporate rules and regulations when it suits them. Why would they start worrying about the Korean government - or indeed any government - now?  And if said government got wind of what the Company was up to - just prosecute them.

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@ S.M.

Untrue.

Special Order 937 shows that Weyland-Yutani were aware that specimens of the Xenomorph were present on LV-426. Why then did they re-route the Nostromo, and then wait 37 years before establishing Hadley's Hope instead of simply sending a vessel like the Patna, a vessel capable of safely and efficiently extracting the Xenomorph specimens they clearly coveted so much.

David Giler's only true contribution to the script, the corporate conspiracy angle, may have been an overused trope by the end of the 1970's but ironically in Alien it shows that the big bad "company", as powerful as it may have become is not in charge and that in the 22nd century whoever is in charge has sanctioned, disallowed or otherwise prohibited Weyland-Yutani and possibly other corporations from directly acquiring Engineer Tech, or derivatives thereof. And it would seem from Blomkamp's concept art that he is hinting that the Korean's may be a part of this.

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"Special Order 937 shows that Weyland-Yutani were aware that specimens of the Xenomorph were present on LV-426."

It shows they were aware of something on LV-426.  Not the Xenomorph specifically (according to Ridley Scott). The Company was simply being opportunistic.

"Why then did they re-route the Nostromo, and then wait 37 years before establishing Hadley's Hope instead of simply sending a vessel like the Patna, a vessel capable of safely and efficiently extracting the Xenomorph specimens they clearly coveted so much."

Why did they wait 37 years?  And if they knew there was an Alien there and knew everything about its potential - why send a tug in the first place?  Why not send a specialised mission from the outset?

"David Giler's only true contribution to the script, the corporate conspiracy angle, may have been an overused trope by the end of the 1970's but ironically in Alien it shows that the big bad "company", as powerful as it may have become is not in charge and that in the 22nd century whoever is in charge has sanctioned, disallowed or otherwise prohibited Weyland-Yutani and possibly other corporations from directly acquiring Engineer Tech, or derivatives thereof. "

I'm not sure what you're basing this on.  Is there any evidence that someone has forbidden the Company from obtaining Engineer technology?  The Company has to abide by rules set down by the ICC - unless the prize is valuable enough to try and break those rules like Burke tried to do.

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Nice theory, ties in well while leaving the timeline intact. I wouldn't be unhappy with a dream sequence either, like in Blade Runner and the implantation of false memories. I too am of a vintage where I saw the first 2 in my teens and wished someone would undo the events of Alien 3 all those years ago. Better late than never I guess!

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It seems that aside from some initial confusion that this theory seems to hold some weight and maybe just might be the way in which Neill Blomkamp intends to take the franchise in a fresh direction without actually undoing the work of previous directors and screenwriters.

For those that may still be confused - everyone from the EEV in Alien 3 was a clone, the real Ripley, Hicks and Newt were taken by "them", whoever "them" happens to be; The ICC, the government or some other ruling body. Everything else is explained in the OT... 

@ S.M.

In Alien, the act of sending a tug without notifying the crew and planting a synthetic on board to help execute special order 937 rather than just sending a suitably equipped science vessel suggests that in some way the company was not allowed to do the latter. Sending a crew unawares, with million's of dollars worth of cargo to its inevitable death is hardly the practice of a benevolent organization. This "cloak and dagger" disregard for their employees is further exemplified in Aliens with the company waiting 37 years between rerouting the Nostromo and establishing a colony to LV-426. Immediate action after the loss of the Nostromo would have alerted unwanted attention into the company's interest in the moon.

Surely I am not the only one to have made this inference, it is literally the running theme for the company in the Alien franchise; a corporation using illegal means to acquire what it cannot legally. Thus by extension, there must be a body that governs the company and others.

Yet the multiple events on the moon depicted in Aliens would have alerted such attention from "them", who from Blomkamp's concept art seem to have their own designs on the technology of the engineers and, likely too, its cargo. As to why the elaborate ruse of planting a trio of clones onboard the Sulaco's EEV - Ensuring Clone Newt and Clone Hicks death in the crash would only leave Ripleys clone, which (with copied memories from the original Ripley) considering her past with the Xenomorph virtually ensures the events that the transpired in Alien 3, thus denying the company their prize.

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"In Alien, the act of sending a tug without notifying the crew and planting a synthetic on board to help execute special order 937 rather than just sending a suitably equipped science vessel suggests that in some way the company was not allowed to do the latter."

It suggests the Company was cheap and opportunistic.  Why send an expensive specialised mission if you can just re-route a tug?  If they don't find anything of value - it cost them next to nothing.

"This "cloak and dagger" disregard for their employees is further exemplified in Aliens with the company waiting 37 years between rerouting the Nostromo and establishing a colony to LV-426. Immediate action after the loss of the Nostromo would have alerted unwanted attention into the company's interest in the moon."

If they knew the Alien was on LV-426, and knew everything about its potential - they would've sent a specialised mission in the first place - like they did in Alien3, after they finally got some idea of what was up for grabs.

If they really wanted to get their hands on the Alien, they wouldn't have waited 57 years to do so, not would they have partnered with the ECA, who could be co-claimant on the Alien's discovery.

"Thus by extension, there must be a body that governs the company and others."

Yes - it's called the ICC.

"Yet the multiple events on the moon depicted in Aliens would have alerted such attention from "them""

How? The ICC isn't omnipotent.

" As to why the elaborate ruse of planting a trio of clones onboard the Sulaco's EEV - Ensuring Clone Newt and Clone Hicks death in the crash would only leave Ripleys clone, which (with copied memories from the original Ripley) considering her past with the Xenomorph virtually ensures the events that the transpired in Alien 3, thus denying the company their prize."

I still don't see the purpose in cloning.  If "they" is some governing body like the ICC - then they have close links to the USCM, so they can just board the Sulaco and ensure the Company doesn't get its mitts on the specimens or Ripley, Hicks and Newt.  If they have the power, just charge the Company with something - start with criminal negligence for Burke sending the Jordens to check out the Derelict without any precautions.  Why the need to convoluted cloning and unprecedented memory implants?

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@Gavin

Yeah i understood that those on EEV are clones, i was saying if they was to perform such a thing professionally they would or could add a burn to the clone.  Its a interesting theory and idea.. but i am not sure its what we would see as i dont see why would they need Ripley, Hicks or Newt if they have access to the Xeno Eggs.

"It shows they were aware of something on LV-426.  Not the Xenomorph specifically (according to Ridley Scott). The Company was simply being opportunistic"

We have to remember the Franchise Evolves with every movie that is added, it effects maybe how we see the previous movies.

From Alien then yes i can agree with this comment, they must have known something as Order 937 is no accident and with Ash being assigned to the Nostromo i feel at that point they had the Agenda of Order 937

But indeed they never really knew 100% what they was dealing with, it seemed they never had much Intel on the details.

Aliens again we have to ask why wait so many years.... if they knew about the Derelict, why invest so much time in having a Colony set up many years latter for the purpose of getting the Bio-Weapon.. its seems totally NON-LOGICAL..

And so supports that they must not have been aware rather than it some kind of long term Agenda.... but we dont know 100% who's pulling the strings...

I think future movies like AC and A5 could provide expansions to the Plot that could let us know really how much they knew or did not know.

There are a lot of things that need covering..... such as LV-223 and why chase the Xeno especially after Alien when LV-223 could have more to offer...

The Weyland Website however speculated that they was aware that LV-426 may offer greater reward at a greater risk than LV-223 that Shaws maps point to..... this was prior to them even knowing what was in store on LV-223

So there is a lot of potential uncovered history that could have bearing on the Plot of the Franchise.... but its a case of how much of this information gets lost before it can be of any use.

For example the Nostromo and Order 937... but the same could be said with Prometheus.... would the company not send out rescue missions well discovery ones to find out what happened to those ships....

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Even if they did send out a search and rescue for the Nostromo, they'd be looking in the wrong place due to it being off course when it was destroyed.

Covenant may touch on any potential rescue missions for Prometheus.

 

"We have to remember the Franchise Evolves with every movie that is added, it effects maybe how we see the previous movies."

Agreed.  However the first three Alien films as they stand, support the notion that the Company had no idea what they were dealing with until the events on Fiorina (or possibly when they got wind of what Burke was up to), and sent a specialised team accordingly.  There was no big Company-wide effort to obtain Xenomorph specimens prior to this - just the opportunism of Burke and people like him who issued SO 937.

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Indeed SM

I was just left thinking, would the company simply not follow up what happened to the Nostromo....  there is a lot that has not been covered or ever would be covered and maybe you have some insight into more than i can think....  We cant assume Ashes findings and study on the Face Hugger was passed onto the company...  someone must have known about Special Order 937  and then knew maybe the ship had been re-routed to investigate and then Question why did they not hear nothing back.....    Did they not wish to investigate what happened and wander had anything to do with Order 937 led to the Nostromo never reporting back..

Until Ripley was recovered on the Narcissus some 50 years odd latter?  

I dont know what the Games and Comics add to the canon, but i think since Prometheus there has to be a bit more known.....  Its a case of how much do we consider the Weyland Site as Canon and how much the bonus material.

Maybe the company only got information of the Black Goo, or something and never knew fully the effects of this or that they was expecting anything related to the Xenomorph.

I certainly think there is potential for a lot of information to become Canon from the future movies and once Ridley has finished... what ever we dont get on screen... i think once its a wrap as far as Alien and its origins and agenda goes i think and i am looking forwards to them bringing out a now fully comprehensive resource book that can give a lot of depth to the Xenomorph and other things.

I liked the look of the Book you worked on SM and i may get a copy some day.... but i am kind of holding out as it seems their are pieces of the puzzle missing but once Alien Prequels are done and Alien 5 then these pieces can be added to a new book.

So i was in the same position with buying the Terminator Box set, and Prometheus to Alien Franchise one..... as i would hate to get a big box set and then see after more movies released so its not COMPLETE.....

I do however own the old Box set of all the Alien and AVP and Predators movies prior to Predators.... I have the Star Wars EP-1-6 Box sets Blu-ray and DVD......  I was brought SW EP7 and i said to the person who got it me, there was no need but thanks but i wont buy another i will wait until SW EP9 is done and get the Trilogy.

 

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I fully agree with regards to the company as far as movie Canon goes..... unless there was a lot of covert behind the scenes stuff.....  the company did not go out of their way to go back to investigate LV-426 after SO 937 and you have to wander by coincidence did they set up Hadleys Hope.... we have to assume they never knew or was not interested and thought there was nothing to be gained after 2122

Because if there was then as you hint at, why would the company not send down a mission to investigate etc (this is where the latest Games set their Plots) but as far as movie Canon, all evidence seems to show that even Burke did not know 100% what they was going to find until he got there and then he saw the potential and tried to exploit the situation..... this is maybe when the company got more concrete information as far as Canon and then the pursuit of Ripley as the only means to obtain a Specimen.

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Hicks would come back.

 

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They showed a frozen in time, screaming Newt and she was dead and autopsied. Ripley insisted they open her chest and it was determined by the doctor that she died of pneumonia. Hicks was dead because his chamber failed and the doctor said it was a horrible way to die. I wanted Ripley and Hicks to become involved. He clearly was mesmerized by her. I would have liked all 3 of them in an Alien 3 movie, but 2 died.

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I just watched it again. Newt drowned and Hicks was impaled. They were both cremated.

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Cloning make little sense....rnWhen were they cloned?rnA plot line could be:rn rnReal Ripley goes to sleep just like the end of Aliens....Sulaco begins it's journey home...rnThe atomic blast on LV426 has awakened/alerted the Engineers(or something else)...they come to investigate.rn...The Engineers find the Queen floating in orbit above LV426...good start to the movie....rnSulaco is tracked down(leaking engines....easy trail to follow) Real Ripley gets abducted by Engineers/Elders/ cloned many times....dipped in vats of black goo? Lots of screams and fetuses....Engineers clone victims(and space suits/ships/etc...) and use them for experiments. rnBig adventure ensues(Alien 5)rnReal Ripley dies doing something(saving Newt..etc..)rnEngineers defeated....rnClone Ripley/Clone Newt/Clone Hicks want to return to Earth on the Sulaco..they want to get away from all this madness......Begin Alien 3.rn?...probably work?

The Queen was already found for the TV show. Just watched Alien3 and it's just as bad as Alien Resurrection. Someone suggested that Ripley had a dream and she looks like she's dreaming in the beginning of Alien3. Hope they write off 3 and Resurrection as nightmares by Ripley and reunite her with Hicks and Newt. The cryochambers could have broken which will age them and the original stars can come back. Does anyone remember when Michael Biehn played  Johnny Ringo in the movie Tombstone?

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Cloning make little sense....rnWhen were they cloned?rnA plot line could be:rn rnReal Ripley goes to sleep just like the end of Aliens....Sulaco begins it's journey home...rnThe atomic blast on LV426 has awakened/alerted the Engineers(or something else)...they come to investigate.rn...The Engineers find the Queen floating in orbit above LV426...good start to the movie....rnSulaco is tracked down(leaking engines....easy trail to follow) Real Ripley gets abducted by Engineers/Elders/ cloned many times....dipped in vats of black goo? Lots of screams and fetuses....Engineers clone victims(and space suits/ships/etc...) and use them for experiments. rnBig adventure ensues(Alien 5)rnReal Ripley dies doing something(saving Newt..etc..)rnEngineers defeated....rnClone Ripley/Clone Newt/Clone Hicks want to return to Earth on the Sulaco..they want to get away from all this madness......Begin Alien 3.rn?...probably work?

Someone suggested a dream sequence for Alien3 and Alien Resurrection. I hope they do it that way with Ripley, Hicks, and Newt alive but having aged because the pods broke or something happened that made them crash. This way the original actors can come back.

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