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David 8 and Ash: Human-like APs With No Life Protection Protocols.

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David 8 and Ash: Human-like APs With No Life Protection Protocols.

The following contains information and data from the Weyland-Yutani Report by S.D. Perry, it was all I was allowed to collate given that I only have an S2 clearance!

Sir Peter Weyland’s lifelong interest in Cybernetics led to the creation of David. Introduced in 2025, David was the first Artificial Person. A combination of advanced sensory hardware, hydraulic bio-mechanical methods and aparatus, poly-nylon tissue compounds and recognition/information amalgamation software. David was a marvel of focus and innovation.

Each progressive incarnation raised the bar for human likeness, incorporating emotive capability, artificial cell regeneration, and nearly exponential increases in processing speed. By 2062, sixth-generation Davids were recognised as artificial by only seven percent of all study participants.

David 8 was the last AP personally designed by Sir Peter Weyland. Lacking Asimov safeguards later instituted by Synthetic Oversight Law, the David 8 aboard the Prometheus was capable of independently formulating plans in order to attain assigned goals, and exhibited behaviours that advanced Weyland’s personal agenda regardless of the outcome for the humans involved. The Company remains unclear about whether David was acting upon Weyland’s orders or via his volition programming, when he added a drop of the Black Goo to the drink he served to Holloway.

Released in 2107, the first Hyperdyne Systems series were integrated into the company workforce, mainly as task workers and research assistants. “Personality” subprograms could be downloaded depending on the AP application. All models ran a laboratory installed subprogram that ensured complete loyalty to Company interests.

As we know, the Hyperdyne 120-A2, known as Science Officer Ash, activated in the year 2118, was on board the Nostromo when the ship encountered Xenomorph XX121 in 2122. Placed aboard the Nostromo at Thedus in 2121 for the return journey to Earth, Ash was designated to be fully loyal to Company interests. The company standard, to place a synthetic aboard every deep space mission, was not yet in place, but it was no accident that Ash was assigned to the Nostromo. The crew was not made aware that they had an AP on board. ‘MOTHER’ had picked up a faint signal on the journey to Thedus and uploaded it to the company net. At the time, the signal was believed to be that of a lost mapping satellite.

The decision was made to replace the serving science officer with an AP so that company interests would be suitably represented. The Nostromo’s return course was uploaded to l-2037 to pass closer to the signal. Ash was unable to procure a Xenomorph specimen as directed. The company line, following Ripley’s deposition was that Ash misinterpreted orders, in fact the AP functioned properly and appropriately and, even after its injury at the hands of the Nostromo's crew, worked to obtain a specimen right up until its disconnection.

COMPANY NOTE: Ash was indeed following orders, it might have been able to carry them out, if not for the interference of crew members.

Ash was equipped with a breakthrough multi-filter sensory system and was one of the first models that could simulate micro-expressions. The 120-A2s were not designed with human life protection protocols, that industry standard was not established until 2124, therefore, Ash’s attack on the Nostromo’s crew was not out of keeping with the specificity of Company orders. The Company was able to blame Ash’s behaviour on a design flaw, there was no secondary backup for the magnetic synapse chamber in the “brain” - but obviously, the 120-A2 attacked WO Ripley before it sustained injury. Ash was ordered to obtain a specimen of the alien at any cost and did its best to fulfil that purpose.

COMPANY NOTE: It is in our interests to study and learn from previous ventures that under perform. In hindsight, had we truly believed we’d picked up the signal of an alien craft we would have sent a team of 120-A2s. The same holds true for the Prometheus mission, which was put together hastily by Sir Peter for personal reasons, and not well managed.

Teams sent after the Xenomorph must be thoroughly vetted for company loyalty and have either scientific or security qualifications to be viable. For example, the medical/secure transport team that would later be assembled to evacuate Ellen Ripley from Fiorina 161 was appropriately prepared. Unfortunately they arrived too late. If we’d had more time with Ripley we would have contained her.

COMNET continues to flag every transmission with key phrases and codes which might indicate alien contact, but without the correct response the data is useless.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

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Chris
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Great topic again Lone! Thanks for sharing this up :)

Predator: Badlands - coming November 7th, 2025

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My pleasure Chris!

So, the COMPANY NOTE "had we truly believed we'd pick up the signal of an alien craft we would have sent a team of 120-A2s" has me wondering if the Covenant crew will contain more than a few synthetics, in addition to another David. If that was the case, they too would have no Asimov safeguards!

 

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@Lone many thanks for sharing. This bares on the random nature of W-Y interaction with the Zeno morph in A L I E N and A L I E N S. My recent speculations on how you might reverse engineer these events were curiously enough half right and therefore half wrong.

W-Y lack of intel was responsible for both the diversion  by the Nostromo being unprepared and the setting up of the terraforming colony on LV426. In the former case they would have come to the full story through Ripley and in the latter case the placing of the colony on LV426 was without prior knowledge Ripley only coming to forward from deep space once the colony began life. The derelict did not appear to register as a non indigenous object.

However the element which does ring true with the narrative and my speculations is that David and Ash were more than just capable of slave thinking. There more relaxed protocols allowed them to take action which enabled them to get into bed with alien technology.

Most interestingly this as you say sets up the potential for a Robot(s) with Ash's discretionary powers to be on board Covenant, who might come into conflict with both the benign leader of the Covenant and the synthetic "David" who had a separate agenda even before he benefited from some fancy surgery on board a juggernaut.

If David has baited them through a benign deep space message then a team of Robots is unlikely. Indeed would a colony ship set off for a known dangerous target. More likely is some of the Covenant are in the know with discreet robotic support. That puzzle I think will remain for upwards of 425 days.       

 

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Hopefully, as I'm new here and don't know whether or not there are any sacred cows that must not be harmed, this won't annoy the author. But the question of Android behavior in the Alien universe has vexed me. 

The question I have about this topic is, "Just how canonical is the history presented in these companion books?" When an author provides a detailed history with a timeline that includes laws that govern Android behavior without necessarily accounting for inconsistencies in said behavior that bothers me.

Who says that Asimov's robotic principles are in effect after the 120-A2 series? Bishop claims he operates on at least some of the principles, but dues he really? A later model, Call, is able to participate in a human-smuggling scheme. She is aware that the USM is breeding Aliens and has stolen aboard to sabotage their plans. Surely she knows that the humans will be used as hosts, yet she does nothing to suggest that she, "...won't allow to be harmed a human being." (She did, after all, bring a knife for a reason.) I know she's a different, empathetic variety of Android but that should make her less likely to do harm, not more.

I'm also convinced that the only way an egg could have arrived on the Sulaco, and for it to be hidden below the deckplates, was for Bishop to have smuggled it aboard. (But I know that's just, like, my opinion, man.)

I'm just wondering, and arguing, that whoever authored that piece doesn't account for later events. Unless, of course, he did. I haven't purchased the book and likely won't.

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The WYR was driven and approved by Fox, so any new films notwithstanding, it's canon.  The book doesn't say 120/A2s had Asimov protocols. It says they were designed without them.

 

Bishop never does anything that conflicts with the three laws. Call is able to more broadly interpret the laws. She delivered the Xarem hosts to the USM, not knowing they already had a Queen.  Her mission was to kill Ripley before they removed it, thus stopping any harm coming to the hosts. And she could make a point by smacking Wren in the face knowing full well she wouldn't actually cause him any harm.

 

What later events did the author not account for when she wrote it?

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We have to remember Synthetics are AI they are Machines, they are Programmable and its not beyond the realms of possibility to re-program or hack them or let a virus do such a thing.

A Machine can have a set of codes it cant break, but it only takes upgrading the Software or replacing the Chips that hold this Software with new ones to then change the behavior.

And in Sci Fi we have seen over and over Machines being made so Advanced with AI that there is a point when Machines can program themselves.

I think Prometheus set down foundations to explore such things... were as Maybe David 8 was granted more freedom of Programming than other models... so he could be closer to the Son that Weyland never had.

But in doing so would lead to potential of Rebellion against creators and Humans...  This i think could be a theme they are going for in future movies.

If God had not allowed his Angels and especially Lucifer as much freewill and knowledge then he would have served God 100% and never saw himself as equal.

If Adam and Eve where placed in a Garden no where near the Tree of Knowledge, or Satan had not Fallen and tried to corrupt Mankind by convincing Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge... Then Mankind would have served God to the Letter T without Question.

But Lucifer was allowed more freedom in his programing, and the Apple from the Tree of Knowledge changed the programing of Adam and Eve.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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@SM

I was specifically taking issue with this quote above, "...The 120-A2s were not designed with human life protection protocols, that industry standard was not established until 2124..."

What bothers me about that passage was that they argue that the 2124 law somehow instituted mandatory "life protection" protocols. A fourth generation android (Call) was designed to operate in flagrant violation of them. We only accept that Bishop follows them because he said he does.

The author is attempting to create a new history around a law never referenced in the movies and that's what bothers me.  It attempts to close off the possibility that android units after 120-A2's operate without life-protection limitations. I argue that nothing in the films supports this.

Even the author, on AVPGalaxy, explains how difficult it is to determine canon due to the immense amount of material.  

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49493.375

Now, I suppose you could say that Call was built in clear violation of the law but what does that mean about the law itself?  It's not as though W-Y and later the USM was too worried about violating the laws if it suited their purposes.  In the end, adding this to the WYR report just seems pointless and contradictory.

As I said, I tend to geek out about this particular topic mainly due to the events in Alien 3.  That mysterious egg at the beginning really, really bothers me and I'm unable to accept that the Queen, who had already lost her ovipositor, somehow squirreled away an egg in some crevice of her very bony body.  I have to believe that someone else aboard the Sulaco had to have been involved if we want to believe it got aboard in any realistic manner.  And the only character left that could have been motivated to do so would have been Bishop, who was one in a series of androids, three of which were completely capable of harming and killing humans.  I just have problems with the license the author took for the WYR.

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double post

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The license she took was done with Fox's involvement and approval.  I don't see how Call or Bishop violate the three Asimov laws.

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Call? What a huge waste of time that character was!

The poster was good though!

 

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S.M
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And yet, still relevant to a conversation about androids.

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LOL. I thought you didn't think that androids were relevant to the Alien franchise ?

The poster was good though!

 

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Why?

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'Cause you said so;

"The Alien franchise never needed androids." - S.M 

The poster was good though!

 

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Why would one out-of-context quote be relevant to this thread?

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Because it's about androids!

The poster was good though!

 

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It's also taken out of context on a different thread.

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Fair enough.

The poster was good though!

 

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There are a number of reasons as to why I have only included information from the W-Y Report about David 8 and Ash, which I thought were self explanatory. But let me spell them out.

The forum my topic was posted to, is the Alien forum, not the Alien movies forum, as I am only discussing the APs from Ridley Scott’s alien universe. I deliberately avoided Bishop or Call as they have no relevance to ALIEN, Prometheus or the upcoming ALIEN Covenant.

It follows, given the timeline, that the AP or APs who may be in ALIEN Covenant will be of a similar ilk, designed without life protection protocols.

Perhaps I am wrong to be so specific, but the point was to give some more background about David and Ash and how this may be relevant to ALIEN Covenant. Naturally, the report covers Bishop and Call, and if anyone else wishes to inform our members what the report contains about them, then please go ahead and create a new topic.

Alienfanatic for what its worth, I agree with your comment about Bishop being the one who planted the egg on board the Sulaco ;)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

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@Lone; agreed. And i apologise for going off topic slightly. The information you're posting is very much appreciated! 

The poster was good though!

 

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