The Derelict, Juggernaut and Elder Noobernaut-Pebble Ship: Built or Grown?

Great topic!

The MORBS are secreting something...They shape the slime or the slime shapes itself? They capture their victims 'slime' them to the wall/ceiling and sooner or later it looks like the interior of a Juggernaut!

Aliens is a good example...the Morbs/Queen started to build a temple inside the reactor building!! Basically made it home away from home.

Didn't see them use any tools....Probably just excrete the goo...then shape it....Engineers come along and add their gizmos/wiring and you have a starship or a temple.

Want a starship? Find a MORB nest...Clean it out(massive death)...add some engines and some wiring....Bang! You have a starship!

Great reply MonsterZero!

So the Morb's secretions could be some cool Alien nano tech, similar to the green goo David found on the hologram control panel....makes sense!

Yes, Nano tech would work.

Engineers have designed the Morbs.... or they are simply using the Morbs as their personal structure builders.....MORBS are building their temples to their Gods and the Engineers come along and use the structures....because they are the MORBS 'Gods'.

Drop 400-500 MORBS (and a Queen?) on a planet have them facehug everything in sight. Return in 20 or 30 years and you have a nice settlement with some ready made starship casings and some nice temples.

Clean out the nest and re-use the MORBS on another planet? 

Send in a fleet of Engineer techs to build out the ships and temples...rinse and repeat.

This is how I would colonize the galaxy.

Damn it Lone Gun Woman! I was about to start the same thread! I challenge you to a duel!

Oh No, I've been sitting on this topic for a while!

Please go ahead and post your topic, I love reading your comments and you always write so eloquently.

I have absolutely no doubt that your thoughts and ideas will completely blow my meager effort out of the water!

No no, I'll just get my thoughts together for this one. Great post, Lone, I'll reply for real ASAP!

Lone; all this is very interesting stuff! I love it! And it's got my imagination turning; so I'm gonna just get it out there before I forget and start coming up with other crazy theories.

There are a lot of scientists and other theorists who believe that the universe is created from a big bang and over billions of years the universe that has been created from that explosion continues to expand until it eventually comes to a stand still.

Then, that universe proceeds to shrink, squeezing all matter into a concentrated sphere of energy called [the big crush?]

Let's just say, for arguments sake, that this theory is right. It would mean that there was probably a universe that existed before the present one, right?

What if, in the previous universe, a race of beings had, somehow, managed to find a way to survive the impending destruction.

How could anything survive the big crush you're probably thinking? The answer is I haven't got a clue. Maybe they create some kind of parallel universe which is like a safe haven, and that safe haven is our present universe.

There are, of course, horrific consequences for this unnatural action. They become one with the machines they've created to save them from their demise.

It's the birth of the Giger universe...  

As primitive life forms like early humans couldn't understand the complexities of science, they were given a kind of translation of this science of the universe and this Giger, god race via stories and (what we call) myths.

Our teachers/Elders had once come across this Giger race who were now maybe extinct? And they told early man all about them and their experience via a translation of science in the form of story telling.

They also back engineered their technology. They worshiped these bio-mechanical gods! 

Whoopee this is exactly what I was hoping for! 

That's what is so fantastic about this site. Ask and ye shall receive Lone....I knew you guys would come up with great ideas!

Necro old pal, keep them coming. Not only do your comments apply to the ALIEN-PROMETHEUS universe, they apply to us, the human race as well!

The older I get the more I am convinced that one day we will meet our makers, and just as in PROMETHEUS it could possibly end very badly for us!

I am still processing your first comment Necro and applying it to the Elder beings.

I don't think they would need wormholes or anything we could comprehend to travel the Universe. Their tech could allow them to morph or beam, for lack of a better word, instantly, to anywhere they choose! 

Once inside a planets atmosphere their ships somehow harness that planets atmosphere, and become gigantic gliders. 

Blimey Necro, that poor old Space Jockey melded to his chair for eternity....that is the Gigerverse.

Being chest busted may have been a relief from his plight!

Thanks Lone! I don't mean that the Elders use wormholes, or are even capable of using wormholes. What I'm getting at with this crazy idea is that the Elders came across this Giger-God race sometime on their explorations. They uncovered their abilities and superior, bio-mechanical genetics and back engineered it for an unknown reason.

The Giger race were so advanced that even the Elders with their wealth of knowledge couldn't unravel the mystery of how they managed to create a universe.

They managed to harness their genetics and ship design because it was so superior to anything they could create themselves.

The engineers/elders are trying to emulate the Giger gods.  

I need to phrase my replies better. I know that's not what you meant....I just can't stop rambling on about that bloody trippy ship!

I hope Ridley lets us see those Giger Gods in one of the sequels. Fox might deem it too dark an idea, but for us it would be.....well....Giger Heaven!

Yes it certainly would be heaven for us my friend. But unfortunately I really can't see them going with such a Gigeresque, surrealist plot :(

They would view it as too much of a risk unfortunately! It doesn't stop us from coming up with crazy ideas though and letting the legacy of H R Giger live on through us!

I always thought the derelict ship must be something organic, with the bone structures and all ... but more so of having the vaginal (vulva) shaped openings (entrances?) that were shown in photos back then ... ok my mind is way off the chart ... but it is Giger :) ...

Even the company with their (probably) team of genius scientists and biologists can't even begin to comprehend the nature of the Gigerverse!

I can imagine the Gigerverse is very much like the Lovecraftian universe. Giger was heavily influenced by Lovecrafts work and in turn, Lovecraft was heavily influenced by the work of Edgar Allen Poe. Each one of them an imaginative genius.

But, their work is not meant for the eyes of the faint of heart.  

@N4-

It's also been suggested that there is more than one universe, that there are alternate universes exploding and imploding throughout infinity. In other words, other dimensions. Commuting from one dimension to another would be one way to survive a Big Crush. 

I'm willing to bet the Juggernaut accelerated away from LV223, and then dematerialized.

@Aorta; Interesting! Dematerialised to another reality?

@Lone; "that poor old Space Jockey melded to his chair for eternity....that is the Gigerverse." - Lone.

Yes! Like Dallas says, "it looks like its grown out of its chair."

Like he's become one with his ship!

The ships DEMATERIALIZE....that's it, the word I've been looking for!

Thank you Aorta! ;)

.....and as you commented Necro, it's a horrific consequence of him having survived the Big Crush!

I think we've opened up a can of worms again Lone haha.

It's Giger's fault!

LONE - What a very compelling topic! I happen to think that the ship's are fashioned from something that we do not understand - something entirely elemental to the universe that we humans have not yet encountered. :)

Perhaps what we are seeing is the end result of highly-evolved and sentient life; a living, transcendent material that exists to ferry life through the dark between the stars. Could that be the fate of all living world's once they reach a certain level of organic advancement? Are our genetics somehow programmed to give way to planets that are wholly alive and whose biological deaths give rise to the only materials capable of surviving deep space voyages? Food for thought! :)

I hope we get explanation for the Bio-Mechanical Nature of the Juggernaught/Derelict and Space Jockey,  we can have a few theories and who knows what Fox/Ridley will choose or if they even choose to explain it.

The Elders and Sacrificial Scene these Engineers seemed to be void of any Bio-Mechanics, they where dressed in simple robes and cloaks and very primitive looking but yet their Ship (Pebble)  was very Advanced but it did not quite have the Alien looking Nature of the Derelict.

We can not ignore this difference, Ridley said maybe the Engineers Technology is Millions of years old and he was saying that in regards to the Derelict.  The Sacrificial Scene does not have to be Earth but it implies a similar event by similar means and Ship had occurred on Earth and the Scene looked like it was showing us either the Start of the Building Blocks of Life... or most likely the Catalyst to Evolve Basic Life into Complex (because the World had Vegetation already) either way this would put the Pebble Ships at Many Hundreds if not way over a Billion Years old.

So while we may be throwing out and replacing the Elders as Ridley was not impressed with the Final Look and also felt the Scene Gave to much away and he wanted to not meet God/s in the First Movie.... i think we will see that the Engineers Serve under a similar Race that would be the replacement for the Elders or even re-designed Elders.

So the Derelict and Juggernaught are Millions of Years old, and the Pebble is many more times older and perhaps Billions of years old.

So at some point they had came across Bio-Technology  but When/Where and How?  And this Bio-Technology is related to the Xenomorph One has to come from the other or both come from another source.

While not trying to discount anyone's theories i am going to take what we was trying to be shown on screen and Ridleys comments as more Factual and try and base something of this.

Derelict/Juggernauts are related, they are Brothers, the Engineers on LV-223 and Space Jockey likewise are Genetically related.

Are the Ships Build or Grown?  Maybe its a combination  of both, a Merger of Organic and Mechanics. 

The Juggernaught looked less Bio-Mechanical and Engineers too, but Ridley explained this because the Juggernauts where in pristine condition while the Derelict is well a wreck... and i would assume as maybe Biology is used within the ships, that when it dies or becomes Derelict some of the ship changes like how a Coral is created that is attached to sunken ships.

I have described the above before, but i will again if we consider like a Tree or better yet the Cactus as shown above it is alive it has a smooth, rubbery look to it (spikes on top lol)

When dead it has a different look, if we take these changes and apply them to the LV-223 Space Jockey and LV-426 now dead one then you can see how such a changes have occurred.

Up close Alive Cactus ^^^

Up close Dead ^^^^

Another Dead Cactus that has a kind of Fossilized Space Jockey Look to it, my point being this dead Cactus and Space Jockey appear similar... yet the LV-223 one was Grey and Rubbery looking... but so is a Alive Cactus and its Green and Rubbery.

So i think maybe the Bio-Mechanics are something very advanced and these ships and Technology are part living but maybe only in a way that a shell of a Snail, or Sea Shells and maybe how a Exo-Skeleton of a Crustacean works?

Another thing we could have overlooked is what if the Derelict was like the Juggernaught and more Mechanical, and unlike how Ridley said its because the Derelict is in fact dead so to speak (thus my Cactus point)

What if the Derelict crashed, and it had Goo on it and the Goo was released and it was the Goo that infected the Ship or caused the changes, like a Moss or how Coral is built/grown.

Maybe its a Goo Spillage that lead to the ships slight change in appearance?

As for how the Ships Travel, that's anyone's guess but i would assume they can go to destinations within the Galaxy Far faster than Earth Ships of that Period i.e much faster than FTL Travel but what kind of Tech or Travel we dont know yet.

I will maybe draw to what the Source said, and they implied that Paradise is not the Home of Creation, or Home of the Gods... it is merely the Base/Outpost of the Engineers and Hierarchy in our Galaxy... and so they implied the Agenda and Hierarchy goes further than the restraints of our Galaxy and they play a bigger role in not only creation of life but of Worlds themselves.

This is what was said...  and so it points to the Engineers and Hierarchy having vastly greater ways to Travel not only the Galaxy but between Galaxies.

Funny enough it was a long time after i was told this, that Ridley came out just before Alien: Paradise Lost name was hinted, he claimed and made hints about how Worlds are created, and is the Big Bang real or even a Accident, and he implied if Engineers are Forerunners for Creation, then how do Worlds become Suitable for Creation to take place... WHERE IS THE BIG GUY in all this.

So indeed the scope for these beings is far greater than what we have been shown so far.... the source also says that the Tools to Create Worlds are more Hazardous than the Tools to Create Life in the Wrong Hands.

So indeed we cant begin to comprehend the beings or who ever at the Top of the Hierarchy and their Technology and means to Travel from Star to Star, and even Galaxy to Galaxy but can they also Travel in Time?

BIG DAVE - Exceptionally insightful and compelling information as usual, my friend. :)

Great replies, as always,  BigD!

It's just fascinating thinking about what the next three movies could touch upon.

I think Covenant and its sequels have the potential for greatness. They may merge the Alien feel, the strangeness, and horror, with the broader ideas explored in Prometheus.

I bet Ridley is going to have a ball directing this! 

@Something Real.....What you propose is exceptional!

What a fantastic idea, that's what I love most about this forum, people thinking way outside of the box, and even outside of the paramaters of the known universe! :)

*Tips Nostromo Cap*