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Well i agree to a extent i felt that the movie should have included more to it, there was plenty more scenes shot and more than just those we saw in the deleted scenes section.

A lot of re-shoots to including the Fifield Hanger Bay Attack, as the other shoot Weyland was being escorted to the ATV when Fifield attacked, and in this shoot it was shown that Shaw was the one at the controlls that ran over Fifield.

Other re-shoots include the Engineer vs Shaw Final Battle Scene, after they completed the last part of that Scene, Ridley decided while Ian Whyte was in Skin Burn Make up to Re-shoot the Scene again for some reason, that showed the Engineer simply enter the life boat and attack Shaw right away...  And by having this scene as the theatrical they could not show the other scenes of the Engineer getting out of his Space Jockey suit and Chair and then run across the surface of LV 223 to the Life Boat, because in these scenes they shot he had no Face Burn just like the Alternative Last Battle Scene.

Some Scenes was cut down because of various reasons, some rumours are Ridley was not over keen on the CGI Fifield, and they had shot a Harris in Make up scene that Ridley felt he had done a decent job and he prefered to keep that actual actor shoot, but another rumour is Ridley wanted to futher tone down the Xeno DNA in Fifield even futher still, even though the Concept work and Original never used Animatronic Fifield had even more Xeno look than the CGI one.

The Elders Scenes Ridley said they was not needed to show the Sacrifice and that they effected the flow of the movie and taking them out gave us more Mystrey of why this Engineer was sent out on his lonesome to Sacrifice himself. 

In truth there may be more to it than that, The Elder Scene that was cut was not even the full scene, they shot a longer one where we saw close up of 2 other Elders and not just the one we saw in the deleted scene, and the actor who played the Sacrificial Engineer went on record to say he had to learn a few lines of Alien Language before he Sacrificed himself, and thus there must have been a Dialog Scene between the Elder handing the Sacrificial Engineer the Sacrificial Bowl...

There could also had been a longer and different Engineer speaks scene, as Ian Whyte had to learn some Ancient Language in his conversation with David.  Ridley and co must not have liked how Ian portrayed those lines as they over edited what he said with some other voice over that actually was partly made up and not based on Indo-European like Fassbender had spoken.

Why remove the Elders, well Ridley did say he did not want to meet God in the first movie, and he also in one interview said they was disapointed in how the Elders came across as they did not look as God like as maybe they wanted.  This could point to a re-design of the Elders for Part 2 to make them more Majestic and Godlike, or maybe even replace the Elders with some other Race that does not bare as close resemblance to the Engineers as the Elders did.

The other scenes that got cut down, and left out of the Last Engineer was scenes that added more depth to his actions and personality so what we was left with was basically a Engineer who was not pleased with mankind and was not a very happy or benevolent being who basically just wanted us dead.

This kind of hints to them trying to show these Engineers simply as grunts who carry out a Specific Task for the Agenda of what ever Race/Biengs are above the Engineers in the hierarchy.  Thus portraying them as pawns to the hierarchy agenda, and as such not to apear to be some Godlike Ancient Advance Race who are intelligent and independant but instead as maybe Androids are to mankind... purely Slaves/Clones created for a purpose.

As far as where the sequel goes...

Well there are rumours but they could be just hear say, some that there will be time travel, others that Shaw will be killed off and David will take the Engineer ship to Earth.  These are all a bit odd and we cant say there is any truth to them.

The only more offical comment about the movie that have been quiet for a long time are, that the purpose of the sequel is to follow  Shaw and David and they add that Shaw has no choice to stick David back together, as without him she is stuck on LV 223 and will get no answers.  But in putting David together she is at his mercy and especially as she will have to be put into Cryo Sleep, which leaves David in control of a Engineer War Ship with a Cargo of Deadly Bio Weapons no doubt on board and at this point its David who is in control to go where ever he wants.

They go futher to say they did not want to meet God in the first movie, which shows us that these Engineers are not God, and they say that the Godlike being/beings they meet are not God in the traditional Sense (Bible/Koran/Torah) Supernatural Magical Devine Being.  But the God/Gods who no doubt created the Engineers are not a benevolent race at all. How this will play is any ones guess as surely if Shaw finds these beings and they are even less tollerant to Mankind than the Engineers on LV 223 are then she wont last long... 

But they did say that David is bringing Hell with him, so that is going to be the equalizer, they go futher to ponder what happens if the Cargo/Goo is exposed to God or a Robot...

This is interesting because what this shows is this/these God/Gods are not the Engineers as we already know to a degree what the Goo does to them and we can guess well what a Xeno Face Huger would produce also.  Does this mean these Gods are fairly different to our Engineers i.e like Elders Scene they are similar? We dont know!

But but surely they cant be too close to the Xeno because well if they are vastly related to the Xeno, then what would the Goo/Eggs do to them if they are already Xeno DNA? But that dont mean we cant rule that out.

The other part is when they say or a Robot as far as the Goo, well again we see David had put some of the Goo on his finger and its some time from opening the Vial and  saying "Big Things Have Small Beginings" to then go to the  room where David then has that conversation with Holloway and spikes his drink...

Well the Goo would have been exposed to Davids finger for at least 10 minutes i would say, ok maybe the part of the Goo he had on his hand only effects if ingested and thus not same as the Hammerpedes and Fifield because that requires a Reaction and Mixture of various parts of the Bio Weapon to produce that Oil like Slime that oozed out of the Urns.

But i will lean more to the angle that the Goo can not effect David as he is Synthetic and thus no Biological. Just as the Spaights draft the Face Hugers was not interested in David because he is not Organic and thus the Face Huger can not procreate from him.

So what can Robot mean, or did they say Machine? and if we look in context of what happens if such Machine is infected with the Goo in same sentance as God and if we assume that they meant such and thus not David getting infected.

What does that leave us?  Well we see the Engineers Tech and there ships are to a degree Bio-Tech and by that part Machine and part Organic, pretty much like a lot of Gigers work was (R.I.P)...  Gigers idea was the Derelict was Organic a Living Machine that even produced the Eggs as far as Gigers vision was concerned and if we look at his Alien Mural the top is some Bizare Structure/Ship that is same shape as the Derelict yet it has Xeno Features which could conclude it is Bio-Mech like the Xeno was.

If we take a look at it like that, in that by Machine/Robot we could be talking about a living Machine, like Gigers many artwork designs... 

Then yes a Bio-Mechanical Part Machine Part Organic Lifeform could indeed be infected potentially with the Goo, thats provided the Goo maybe does not come from such a thing or maybe not.

So yes these kind of give us many clues as to where they could be going, or where they was as of before they drafted in Pagan to work on a draft etc.

Since then the other more offical rumour was of more than one David, how is this possible?  Well on Earth and throughout Weylands many colonies etc, there are many David models in service...

This could point to a mission maybe to LV 223 as surely the company would want to find out what happened to Prometheus?  And there is a lot of clues left on LV 223 to be explored, not only more temples and hangers as David said there are many more Ships and that does not mean oh theres one more.

Then we have what happens to the Deacon and Hammerpede.

And lets face it a movie about just Shaw and David, would not have many cast, unless rest of the cast play Engineers/Elders or even what other Humanoid races these Engineers etc have created.

So there is a good chance the movie will be running at least two plots at the same time.

Finallly as far as the Answers...

I think they would go some way to answer some but in doing so they would leave maybe more Questions, but maybe not as ambigious as the first movies as well many critics was aimed at the ambigious nature of the first movie.

We have to remember the aim for Prometheus was ....

Who was that Space Jockey, where was he from, what was he doing there and what was that Cargo for?  Do we find out what connection they have with the Xeno? Do we find out or see what a Alive Space Jockey looks like and what is there Culture and Agenda?

We had clues that he was a Pilot of a ship carrying a Cargo of Bio Weapons, but why and how did they come across these Weapons.

And what we got... was well the Space Jockey is a Humanoid Race potentially that created mankind, and that they are on some outpost near LV 426 that is being used to produce a Bio Weapon that some how has some connection to the Xeno, we find out the Derelict/Jugernaughts are indeed War Machines.  We find out that these Engineers are working on a Bio Weapon, and that also the Xeno was a Bio Weapon.

But by being shown those things, they raised more questions as they was never delved into deep with regards to why and how...

I think a Part 2 and maybe 3 could give us more answers but dont expect to be spoon fed and expect more questions to be raised and Mystrey...

As far as what happened to the Engineers on LV 223 and the Space Jockey i dont know if they would ever show us a Flash Back Scene to how come....?

Any mission to LV 223 would come across the Dead Engineers, and even if they dont come across any Holograms, surely with other Davids onboard and we have to assume they like David could read to a degree the Engineer writting maybe these Davids will translate the Engineer Hieroglyphs and relay in more detail what they mean on screen as opposed to the David in Prometheus as he well basically kept most of what he found out to himself...

Like he said, he knew the Engineers was planning to go to Earth before things went to pot, he maybe gathered that the process of doing that would not kill us, but evolve us into something else. "Sometimes to Create One Must First Destroy" and how David knows these Engineers did not come from LV 223 but a place our cultured refer to as PARADISE, and how David knows how to fly and navigate the Juggernaught shows that he had gained a lot more knowledge to himself than we ever got to get explained to us and the crew of Prometheus.

Thanks Big Dave. I like all your reasoning around a second film. I really hope it gets made. I do have a feeling that we might see something like the Mountans of Madness built into the story. That would be that the creation of man was the creators eventual undoing. Paradise might be abandoned because the man project made such a mess of things.

I love the film, and I woder if maybe Exodus will have any relates to our engineer friends. Noah was kinda of a bomb

I dont think the movie has been canned,  Pagan (Transcendence)worked and submitted a draft that Ridley and Fox then got Green (Green Lanturn) to rewrite and its all gone bit quiet since.

Now Pagans style seems to be more of a JJ Abrahams and Lindeloff, whlle Greens is more generic and so not so quirky or like out there but just traditional straight forwards Sci Fi.

This could be that Green has come along to tone down some of Pagans ideas, which could be a bit deep as far as if we go by Transcendence, i.e may be a bit complicated plot. To a more basic plot.

The opposite happened with Prometheus where a Basic Plot (Spaights) was made more complex by Lindeloff.

What changes have been made for now we dont know, but it appears that the idea Ridley had that he must then pitched to Pagan to come up with a draft would seem that they want to see where David and Shaw go and to find these Gods still but what they find are not Gods, not what Shaw is hopping for and that they are not benevolent race at all.

Then how they said David is bringing hell with him, seems to show Ridley wanted the Ship that David and Shaw was on could be used to turn the Bio Weapon these Engineers was created to use on us, to turn it upon the Engineers or their creators.

But yes there would be the whole what becomes of LV 223 by the time of Alien plot to be covered so they would most likely had planned to do a movie about going back there too.

I love the idea of turning the Goo back onto the Engineers, or their creators, on their home planet.

I still suspect that the Engineers are simply cloned meat bags, used as a vassal for the black goo to do its work in creating life. I think the mural image of the reclining Engineers and the other creature nestled besides him means something. Perhaps this creature holds the key. It could be ground zero in the discovery of the Life Giving Goo. And except for its head shape it does look quite Xeno like. Perhaps this creature is from yet another planet which is wholly made up of biomechanical Xenomorphic creature's whose whole procreation methodology differs from ours. Perhaps the Creators found a way of using these creatures to form life for their own use.

I would still love to see that another Engineer managed to escape, infected but able to pilot one of the other ships and crash land on LV426. We could see this at the start of film 2 as well. Would be a great tie in. The Space Jockey is bursted, Xeno falls to the floor and makes its way down to the cargo hold (or as I believe the subterranean base) and their it grows and lays eggs...). 

I like the idea of a flash back to the fleeing Engineers holograph as an opening of film 2.

Well we do see the Goo seem to perform differently from the Sacrifice Scene, because if its the same stuff then why does mankind evolve into something related to the Engineers and not the Xeno.

Also why did the Elders and Sacrificial Engineers seem to lack the Bio-Mech look?

I think at some point maybe they as a great Scientists always trying to improve and evolve their own knowledge and Tech, they came across something they then chose to experiment on and borrow from.

The Elder Scene i feel added to the movie... was their pursuit the same as Weylands?

If we look at life on Earth we find that usually Organisms whos life expectancy is longer do not reproduce as often as those with a smaller life span, this also does not have to be natural life span but also environment.

3rd world countries the population have more children than those that have better ways of living,  even in Countries that have great Economies and Agriculture if we go back hundreds of years when the quality of life was less and hardships more then even countries like the UK they had more children than we have done in last 50 years.

My point being that as ways of life improves, has medical advances improve so that we have plenty of food and warmth and we have good medical facilities to protect us from many illnesses that posed greater threats many years ago and still do in 3rd world countries.

What happens if Weylands advances in Medical Industry means we are immune to Cancer, and other diseases, what if we can slow down the rate the bodys organs age and decay. What if we can slow down our bodies rate of aging down by 10X so that a 30 year who would now age between 30 and 60 and we see the changes to their organs and appearance gradually decline, what if that could be slowed down so that a 30 year old in 30 years would appear as if they was 33 years old... so that mankind would only start to age as we do past 60, when we reach 600 years old and thus we live naturally up to 1000 years.

But we also have the ability to cure many diseases too, so that we can live to our full extended 900-1000 years or 80-90 for us now.

I would assume as we for thousands of years evolve to this, we would not see our ability to produce a off spring every 9 months needed, maybe our females would then only be able to bare children every 50 years?

What if we found a way to not rely on food and drink, and that we instead find some supplement that can sustain us, in the same way that does not lead to us having to use our Gastric Process to get rid of waste material...

If we advance to beyond needing to reproduce as often to sustain our population and also do not need to consume foods that require breaking down and a internal waste process, if this happened to us and over period of thousands of years could mankind Evolve to not need for instance a Penis for the Male?

Could these Elders had at some point been like us many Millions of years ago, and they Evolved themselves to not require Food, and reproduce and thats why they look how they do, but they Age just at a slower rate, so that just as say Dogs age 7 years to one of ours, what if these Engineers Age at a rate of 1000 years to one of ours, or 10’000 and lost the ability to reproduce because they have such high natural life expectancies and they are not affected my diseases and illnesses that plague mankind.

When they reach a Ancient Age, they will Age just far more slower, so the Elder we saw who handed the Cup looks as Aged as a Man in his 90s, the Sacrificial looks like a Man in his 20s but for these Engineers the Elder is actually 100s of thousands of years old... his race as above has lost the ability to procreate the way mankind does.

What would be there option then?

Create life in there image via Cloning? But maybe this has its draw backs, maybe a Clone of a Engineer Elder can still not pro create and thus they needed to start a Evolution from Scratch from basic building blocks so that life has to Evolve from Square one again and thus regain the abilities to pro create these Elders lost?

For all we know there are many kinds of "Black Goo". The small cup like container which the Engineer drinks from (at the beginning of Prometheus) contains a thinner, chrystaline looking liquid rather than the thick dark syrup with sweats from the Urns. Whatever infected the Engineers could have been delivered via yet another liquid we are yet to see.

@Brego....

Well  i had studied the Goo and the Mural, and when you read Spaights draft eveything is easy and straight forwards......

Only then Fox released the Weyland File on the Goo, that well did not match what Spaights draft for the Sacrificial Cup/Urns contained.. and this file also contradicted what we saw on set...

Ok i will use this to try quicking explain the clues and connections i made...  I will use ITALIC for movie Clues...  and BOLD for Spaights and NORMAL text for additional support.

FIRST! The movie we saw was based of Spaights draft, he first gave us the idea the Space Jockey is a Humanoid Race that created mankind via a Sacrificial Scene. Using the Contents of the Sacrifical Bowl.

The Engineer opens a Bowl/Cup that contains millions tiny nano scarabs that consume his entire body molecule by molecule untill there is nothing left of him.  Then we see one of these Scarabs flies onto a Primative Female Primate and bites her and injects the consumed Engineers DNA into her and she then starts to Mutate and Evolve into a Hybrid that contains her DNA and the Engineers which eventually leads to Mankind.

The movie replaces the Nano Scarabs with a Thick Mudlike Substance that starts to turn into a Liquid when it is exposed to the Air, this Substance breaks down the Engineers Molecular body, we then see the resulting broken down mixture of Goo that contains the Engineers DNA enter the Water.... This is then shown to start to reform to start to then become complex cells again.. either that or the Material Merges with Basic Lifeforms in the Water and passes Engineer DNA onto them and either way we get what could be the start of Evolution on the Planet.... either the very start... (but then the planet had plant life) or the Catalyst to Evolve basic Life into complex Life.

The second time we see the Nano Scarbabs is inside the Urns, and here we see that Fifield knocks one over and it breaks and unleashes Nano Scarabs that Bite Fifield... Fifield then mutates into a Organism that has Xeno DNA.  Thus maybe these Scarabs injected Xeno DNA into him.

The movie shows us the Urns start to leak with a change in atmospheric environment, and we are shown some Worms come into contact with this... Latter these Worms have Evolved into Hammerpedes that have a slight Face Hugger Look to them, they also have Acid Blood... Xeno traits?  We then see after Milburn is attacked by One, Fifield cuts its head off then it sprays blood on his visor that melts... The Hammerpede grows its head back instantly (a trait of the worms? that is acelerated due to the Goo?).  Fifield then falls face first into the Goo...

We then see Fifield is mutated and Evolved, his DNA changing....

Now we have two Fifields, one shot is Toxic Avenger Fifield lol.. the 2nd a CGI one with Elongated Head and Limbs.... but we also had a Animatronic Version that got scrapped that had a Xeno look to it, and various Concept work that looked more Xeno... Maybe the intention was again the Goo passed Xeno DNA somehow?

More Xeno Connection....

So ok whats the Link?

Well both Spaights and Lindeloffs drafts have the Engineer use the Sacrificial Cup that contains a Bio Agent that breaks down/consumes the Engineers entire Genetic Structure Molecule by Molecule and then the Bio Agent then somehow stores the Engineers DNA via this process which it then passes onto another Life Form in which we see a Hybrid created, in the Sacrifical Scene this process leads to the creation of our Evolutionary Ancestor be that the Primate (Spaights) or Start maybe of complex Evolution (Lindeloffs)

The 2nd encounter of the Bio Agent in the Urns on LV 223 we again see the contents of the Urns infects and passes on DNA to its victim that then creates a Hybrid... in Spaights draft Fifield Evolves into something with a lot of Xeno DNA.... in Lindeloffs we get a more tonned down Xeno DNA Worms, Fifield not so much but if we consider the alternative and even unused Prop Fifields we see a more evident Xeno connection and also dont forget the process of Shaws Baby via the same Goo in the Urns that ultimately gives us the Deacon that has a lot of Xeno DNA as well as Humans.

And i come to conclusion that the Bio Agent no matter which version we look at, has a task to break down and store the DNA and Genetic Code of who ever consumes the Bio Agent in the Sacrificial Bowl, and this then produces a new Bio Agent that then passes the Genetic Material and DNA of the Sacrificed Organism onto another Organism via the newly created Bio Agent via Sacrificial Scene. Creating a Hyrbid, that passes on the Sacrifices Traits while also keeping and Evolving the best traits of the Organism that comes into contact with the resulting new Bio Agent.

Latter we see this is stored in Urns and thus may not or can not be the same as the stuff in Sacrifcial Bowl...

How can we make a futher connection...

EASY!

Spaights draft the Engineer holds his arms out in Cruciform pose before he is broken down into the new Bio Agend material that is intended to spread his DNA to evolve life on Earth and Create Mankind via Primates.

Why the Christ Pose... well the reason Christains worship the symbol of the Cross is for one reason only... the Cross Represents the Sacrifice Christ gave to allow Mankind to be Saved for those who follow him.

Thus Cruciform pose = Sacrifice for greater good.

Ok so we see that in Spaights draft the Sacrifical Engineer took the Cross Pose before he was Sacrificed, well before the effects of the Contents of the Sacrifical Bowl/Cup had taken effect.

What about Cruciform pose in Lindeloffs draft? We see one, on the Mural that contains the Deacon like Creature where we also see two Prone Engineers being Face Hugged by Two kinds of Face Hugger.

So what does the Pose mean? If we look at what it means in the sense of Christians and thats a Sign of the Sacrifice Christ made, then look at Spaights draft of the Sacrifical Engineers pose to then allow the creation of a Bio Agent that can seed his DNA.

Then Logically this could point to the Deacon being Sacrificed, but why? Well maybe thats who the Xeno DNA traits got into the Goo that is in the Urns.

If the Sacrifical Engineer had stood in a large chamber or Vat, with a hole connecting to a Pipe underneath, if he performed the Sacrifce in that would it not allow the broken down Material i.e Bio Agent to then be collected and drain into that Pipe and could this not be stored into Urns?

If so would not Emptying this into the Water Fall bring about the same result as the Engineer falling into it while in the Process of the Sacrifical Cups contents?

Now look at the Trailer, and we dont have the Green Crystal on the Altar infont of the Deacon Mural we have this...

The Sacrifical Cup/Bowl..

Add this to what i have shown, and can we conclude that maybe some Organism related to the Xeno was Sacrificed to create the Bio Weapon in the Urns... thus LV 223 was being used as some massive Slaughter House/Aabattoir where these Xeno related Organisms was being used to create a new Bio Weapon.

Maybe a redesign of the Xeno Bio Weapon for Safer Storage and more usefull and easy application?  Or then could these Experients created by the Bio Weapon they obtained by Sacrificing the Deacon which had created the Xeno at some point.

This is the connections i made, that are very coherent and hard to find holes in if you look at the clues as i have above.

So ok... now for the Mural Connection.... again.

It tells me the Deacon is Sacrificed to create the Bio Weapon in the Urns... Why?

Why was the Sacrifcial Engineer Sacrificed? Because this was a way to in mass spread his genetic code so as that Mankind could br created in the Engineers image latter down the line.

Why do that with the Deacon?  Again maybe so that the Deacons DNA can be used to be passed down in Mass, maybe the "sometimes to create one must first destroy"

Why the Two Face Hugers? they are on the Mural and they are different.. one is

Other is

They are in the Deacon Mural, but do they mean they are created from the Deacon?  Maybe its Ambigious but looking at Gigers Mural for Alien, that could seem the case.... But then maybe not, because we see the Fresco...

This could show the creature here is created from the Engineer?  We see at the end of the Movie a Deacon is created from a Engineers Sacrifice, well he got Face Hugged.

But the Mural Deacon looks different, Shaws Baby one had Human Traits... look at its fingers and feet....

The other Fresco has a Egg being held by a Xeno hand... or the creature in the other Fresco above.

So we see a Mural  with one kind of Xeno related Organism, we see the Fresco with another that appears to come from the Engineer maybe? We see the Mural has two Sacrificed Engineers by two different Face Hugers, and we see two different Xeno like Adult Organisms, the Deacon and the Bird Like Organism...

Conclusion... again Spaights draft holds the Clue!

His draft LV 426 (yes was on LV 426) these Engineers may have been creating various kinds of Organisms, there was 8 kinds of Xeno... in his draft well that was the intention.

My conculsion... well there is a lot that is hard to be exact, but i ASSUME, either the Engineers came across a Organism that is the Deacon in the Mural and used the Sacrificial Bio Agent to try and re-engineer it to create a whole manner or Organisms related to the Xeno.

Or they had came across many Xeno related Organisms, or related Organism and they re-engineered it many times to then allow some Engineers to be Test Subjects and thus Sacrifices that created many things, but they was trying to create the Perfect Hybrid Organism.

Then they did.... the Deacon.. once they had created this, they may have then saw this as the ULTIMATE upgrade for their kind, or the Ulitmate Creation and then they may have then wanted to use the Sacrificial Goo to break down this now created PERFECT ORGANISM so that they can Seed its DNA, thus breaking down the Deacon in this method to then allow the resulting Bio Agent to be used on a Organism or Planet would allow for the creation of a new Organism that would be created in the IMAGE of the Deacon... just as we was CREATED in the Image of the Sacrificial Engineer.

That Laddies and Gents is what i think LV 223 was being used for... Why?

Who knows..

And how the Xeno is related to the Deacon, and Fresco Mural and the Face Huger creatures is unknown...  i.e is it

1) Something created from the process, or one of them.. maybe a alternative Organism, or a unintentional Bi Product or undesired Result?

2) Something that the Process was started from, i,e experiments carried out on Xeno Eggs to create various types of Face Huger in a attempt to harness the Perfect mixture of Xeno DNA and Engineers to create the Perfect Organism the Deacon?

3) Simply a Bio Weapon, found, created, or created from something found, that was simply too dangerous to use and store and this they went to the process to re-weaponize but Ultimately created the Deacon which they then saw as a PERFECT ORGANISM and then persued to harness its DNA to be used to create a whole new Race!

One of those 3 is what i think the Agenda is/was.

Of course the above posts are my interpretations, they are what the clues from Prometheus when looking at Spaights and Lindeloffs drafts and when looking at the other concept work and clues  .. i,e chest busted cryo pods on the Jugernaught.

Then looking at the Alien Franchise, and what Ridley said about the LV 426 Derelict and Space Jockey...

But alas.... they seemed to from the point of Spaights to Lindeloffs draft and creation of the Sets and Props and Concept work, they have done a U-Turn when they was edit the movie to be released...  not a little U-Turn as in no 15ft Engineers as the intention was and thus would matched the Space Jockey.

Nope seems they are trying to evolve the idea they have for the Goo, so that it is now one and all the same and simply a Chemical that is LIFE itself, Everything... you will see when the Comic comes out.

But going this route requires a lot of answers to tie up lose ends because untill we are shown the meaning for the Goo in more detail... then the clues left in the Movie and links to Alien are all well in-coherent.

Not like my interpretations which i think are not far off what Spaights and Ridley had while the movie was going through concept work and pre production and also when Lindeloff came on board and some of the sets being made etc....

Only while shooting could some direction had been changed.

All very interesting Big Dave. Jeez I wish theyd stuck with the original scropt/story.....

I guess now we need to consider the story as filmed as Canon tho unfortunately and that means that the black goo is very different to the chalice liquid at the start of Prometheus. I think the link will eventually be the creature in the Mural which other than the head shape looks very Xeno like.

Where Ridley will go with this is anyones guess.

I think perhaps that Ridley (who I love) is simply working on too many jobs and has lost the minute detail in which he formed Alien....

I agree i feel a movie that had someone else come in and merge parts of Spaights and Lindeloffs drafts would have given us a better movie.

What seems to make things bad is the coments that come out it seems they really never gave the movie much thought as things keep changing as far as hints on direction that dont add up to what the movies show us inc Alien etc...

For Example... first the Derelict carried Eggs and had been there for many thousands of years, i am sure Ridley said maybe hundreds of thousands at one point before Alien 3 came out, but cant trace that interview as before the age of Internet to everyone.

Then we get Prometheus and its implied the Derelict had crash landed, within few hundred years of the outbreak on LV 223 that was shown in the Ghost Engineer scenes...  the Space Jockey was transporting Eggs and ran into trouble.

Then we get the "they always felt the Xeno had Human DNA" yes well off course as its a Human Host that gets Face Hugged but i think what he meant was a hint that the Xeno Egg/Face Hugger some how traces back to Human DNA.

Then we get oh the Derelicts Cargo had evolved over time on the Ship, a hint that something Evolved into Eggs? Or something Evolved that laid Eggs?

Then hints that Prometheus and the Deacon shows us not how Xeno Evolved but how Life to had evolved... what do they mean by this?

If these are hinting at some event on LV 223 either after the Outbreak 2000 years ago fair enough... but if its some how that the Deacon is connected to the Xeno as in it is the Egg before the Chicken, then how does that fit in with the time line?

They trying to say the Space Jockey and Derelict did not run into bother until after the events of Prometheus?

You see they just made it all more complicated really...

To answer the OP...

1) It would be cool if in the next film, the engeneers running away scene could be shown in its's entirity. What were they runnung from.

I dont think they would show us that at all, but i hope they give us more clues. i think for sure we may see a return mission to LV 223, if not in the next movie, i think the Comic Book comming out this movie would give us some clues.

All thats needed is for them to come across the Temple, the Goo Canisters/Urns all Empty and then have there Androids be able to like David make more sense of the Engineer Writting on Doors, the Mural and dead bodies of Engineers and some of the crew i.e Milburn and Chest Busted Cryo Pods, maybe Last Engineers body and from that give us more of a clue...

i.e Maybe have a Android then say... "it seems these beings had been taking something to some place only they got infected and the ship returned to this place with some organism prehapse related to that mural that then got lose and killed rest of their kind"

Then some human crew can say what do we make of this dead Engineer, his body has not been here as long as the others on that other ship...   "then the Android say, well signs are the same as those on the other ship only this organism that had came from this Engineer could still be out there somewhere"

2) What was it that stopped the engeneers from going to earth.

Well hopefully we may get some more clues, maybe these could come from what David and Shaw find.. i,e if there are hints of a rebelion of sorts... i have to wonder why the Last Engineer survived, and i ponder that he may somehow had infected the crew of his Ship in a event to stop what ever they was trying to do, and then he returned to the  LV 223 outpost unleashing hell on his comrades... i think he sabotaged the mission.

But would we have anything that shows us that... doubt it as Ridley is changing the way the Engineers are portrayed...  the Last Engineer thus we have to believe wanted us dead just as much as the others, only some how he managed to be in cryo sleep when outbreak happened and escaped... what of other 3... maybe only 3 Face Huggers got onto that ship....

3) I would also Like to see all the sceens from the start of the film that shows more of the engeneers that were assisting the sacriffical engeneer, and what led up to him being selected for the job.

Ridley told us what happened, basically  these Engineers use the contents of the Sacrifical Bowl as a more efficient way to break down DNA that mixes to also become a Evolutionary Accelerant that spreads the DNA of the Sacrifice onto a Worlds Organisms, to evolve them and pass on traits of the Sacrifice.

Its not the only way these Engineers could procreate or at very least create life in their image...  Just the way they choose to do it.

This Sacrifice was needed for the greater good and benefit of the Elder Race, why? who knows... 

The Sacrifice is pretty much like say Ancient Cultures and Tribes would make Sacrifices to Gods, such as when a Tribe chooses someone to be Sacrificed into a Volcano, so that their Sacrifice pleases God and they are granted a better Harvest the next year.

This Sacrifice is treated as a Prince for a year and then they are Sacrificed and for them it is a great honour to be chosen as they are doing the greater good for their kind.

Ridley says this is similar to the Sacrifice Scene...

HOWEVER........

It seems they are doing a U-TURN on the Engineers/Elders Connection and Agenda...

The Elders left out because they may be redesigned to be more Godlike... or awe inspiring.. Or replaced by something else that does not look Human like they and the Engineers did... or simply the Elders are to be removed from the Chain of hierarchy either to show us they are all the same and do not Age... or that there is no similar race above the Engineers... they are in charge.. or slaves to something else.

With you all the way Big Dave (on what you hope) in all but one point. I still suspect that the Engineers are clones made by the Elders for use in the creation of life and possibly as slaves. Ridley could well want a connection between the creation of Synthetics by Man and the Creation of Clones by The Elders. I truly hope all of the events shown in the hologram reply are indeed 2000 years old and are linked to the Derilict. Nice and neat and actually believable.

And if Weyland has a clone in cryo, as a back up, an even better link to the subject of life and a desperate, powerful ruthless Man, who perhaps reminds the Engineers of their Masters, The Elders.

Well my idea from what clues are left is the Engineers could be Clones of the Elders...

Ridley refered to LV223 Engineers as Dark Angels hell bent on our destruction while ones at the start was creating life.. does that mean they are Angels?

Now this could mean Elders/Engineers = Angels/Dark Angels but we can not use the Angels to well be like the Bible and Koran... nope this movie is going the route that all Religons and Ancient cultures all  come from one Orginal source....

The Elders/Engineers.

If we look at it in this context, then the earliest recorded tale of Gods and Creation is that of the Anunnaki from Ancient Mesopotamian.. then while we dont have to take this as literal..

There are clues that are similar...

Race of higher gods, Anunnaki who had servent race the Igigi who rebelled against the Anunnaki so that they then created Mankind from a Sacrifice using Clay, and one of there own.

If we look at other systems, we have Titans, and Olympians who rebelled against them, we have the Single God of Bible and his Angels made in his image who some rebelled.

They all seem to show a Race at the top of the hierarchy who have a sub servant race created in same image as the higher race.. who rebel against their lords who then create Mankind in their image.

could this be... Elder/Engineer/Mankind?

I think roughly this is the pitch that Spaights draft started, this was the basic idea.

And was the idea that i was following for my draft.

But could mean now this idea is scrapped so to speak, to be replaced by some other being/race at the top of the hierarchy that is not God as in Bible God or the greeks with Magical Powers...

But also that this God or Godlike beings could actually be something totally different than what we would expect as a God... maybe even a Bio-Mechanical Machine?

As far as Prometheus Part 2 goes...

Well the path Shaw and David take could be a tricky one to cover, i.e who created the Engineers and why, why they never came back to Earth or to find out what happened on LV 223, did they know of our creation? our intended destruction etc?

Nope very tricky and a sticky one for me to do justice on the draft i worked on.

As for what becomes of Weyland Company and LV 223...

That was more easy.. and would be more easy...

Lets see what needs covering...

On Earth.... or Weyland Companies.

1) What becomes of Weyland now its CEO and Vice CEO gone?

2) When and how did Weyland - Yutani Merge?

3) How much information does Weyland or Yutani have about LV 426 Signal did they learn anymore during Prometheues near by destination (LV 223)

4) What information was sent back to Earth from Prometheus before the Ships Destruction.

5) How long does Weyland Company wait to respond or investigate what happened to Prometheus, do they recieve Shaws SOS? Or do they only get that once a rescue mission is already near by?

6) Do we see what role Yutani play in the universe they are a rival company who produce their own Androids only they dont have the real skin patent that Weyland has.

7) Do we see more on the Weyland Androids, do we see signs of them having problems that lead to newer models comming out if so why?

8) Do we see more on Weyland Company and what else it does, or is it going to be based around simply another mission i.e like Prometheus the movie did not show us much about Weyland Industries it was the Viral Site that did this..

Regarding LV 223..

1) What becomes of the Deacon and Hammerpedes, and what about the Goo that leaked, did it all leak? Did it have any other effect? Once it is leaked after a while does it dry up? (well become inactive?).

2) Does Weyland/Yutani send a mission to LV 223 and what does it find?

3) i.e do they explore the same Temple Mound and find dead boddies, and empty Urns and do they get more clues from what is going on?

4) Do we get to see behind the Mural Door? Or find out what the Altar is for?

5) Do we get to have some of the Engineer Writtings on the doors translated or have the crew able to peice together more clues and answers than Prometheus gave us?

6) Do they have a closer look at the Crashed Juggernaught and examine the Chest Busted Cryo Pods..

7) David said there are many more Engineer ships, that means more than just one. What becomes of them and what is on board.

8) Do we find out if them other mounds are more temples and what do they contain.

9) Do we get shown why Weyland-Yutani do not seem to have great knowledge of the Xeno but just a bit by time of Alien, and why go to the trouble of going to LV 426 when LV 223 has far more riches to be had... surely LV 223 must be destroyed by the time of Alien?

perfect Big Dave. Clones of the Elders. The Elders use their Clones as walking, talking meet bag labs to spark life. Clones become fundementalised and are somehow punished.