Cremildo
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2014 6:44 PMGood for her.
As far as I'm concerned, Ripley died in Alien³.
I'm not interested in some clone's misadventures.
RobertRende
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2014 7:16 PMthey could make it work, as long as Alien 5 is made after Prometheus 2!
BSS1973
MemberOvomorphJun-02-2014 10:20 PMThat's dismal depressing news. I love Sigourney, but Ripley died in the unpleasant business known as Alien 3. I wish they had stopped after Aliens. I hope she doesn't need the money. I'd rather see Death And The Maiden 2.
HiveMinded
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2014 1:34 AM@RobertRende
I also think there are ways to make it work. But yeah, it depends on how they approach things in the sequel. There are ideas about immortality & death/rebirth in the series now.
The Engineer's head was "tricked back to life". Fifield was reanimated as a zombie, "Sometimes to create one must first destroy", cycles of life/death & rebirth etc. David 7 was discontinued before David 8 was born. Death is part of the natural order of things. Ripley 8 is viewed as a freak of nature by Call. Ripley gained a form of immortality, in a way.
The clone might actually fit in better after P2. The hybrid aspect of her character makes more sense now. You could get philosophical about it, question the very existence of the clone. Weyland believed that androids can't have souls. Do clones have souls? Is a cloned brain really the same person? Ripley 8's mind wasn't the same as the first Ripley.
Maybe there's a reason Ripley 8 could only remember Newt in dreams & nightmares, why Weyland never pursued cloning in his quest for immortality.
I wouldn't make Sigourney the main character. I'd introduce her daughter Amanda who would represent Persephone from Greek myth, ideas about the natural order of things & the Harvest.. Amanda searched for Ripley & crossed LV-426, also known as Archeron, the river of woe in the Greek underworld. Amanda has been kept under. Weyland corp hid the truth. Amanda slept longer than anyone else... This affected her subconscious.
The Engineers act as Gardeners & intend to "harvest" humanity's genetics. Gardeners are familiar with the concept of cloning. Cuttings taken from the parent plant. Ripley's hair was cut and preserved. Facehugger spores alter genetics to change insides into incubators, the creature's DNA joined with hers already/was in the hair. It can all make sense, maybe the cloning process is more natural than we know... Gardeners also hybridize/cross-breed & select for certain traits. Plants/trees survive the cycles of nature in a variety of ways. Nature is reborn after the fall. Amanda is humanity's last hope, she has "survival instincts" "in her"..Ripley was re-grown after the fall/winter, to harvest the Alien genetics out of her. A gardening theme can make the clone seem more natural. Ripley's daughter/seed awakens & the pomegranate doesn't fall far from the tree (apples were originally pomegranates in ancient times before being selected over and over again for taste). When Eve bites the apple of knowledge in the garden of Eden, it should have still been a pomegranate...There are some parallels between Eve and Persephone's story. Amanda is Persephone. Ripley 8 is Demeter. Weyland portrayed himself as Prometheus, but ends up representing Hades. "We are the gods now..." Weyland's mother studied comapative mythology. Maybe MOTHER birthed the free androids...Gives Winona Ryder a Call.
Call is free, yet follows the cross...Call "chooses to believe". Her freedom/birth could be linked to one of the last Davids & MUTHR...Call tried to sabotage the Marines, "saving humanity from themselves". She was built by other AI's, who chose to give her freedom & passed her info about the Marines' experiments. MUTHR didn't like what FATHER was doing.
BSS1973
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2014 12:37 PMHiveMinded, if you wrote Alien 5, I'd watch it. There's a nice professional practicality in your ideas.
HiveMinded
MemberOvomorphJun-03-2014 2:04 PMThanks BSS1973!
A lot of things lead me back to ideas about motherhood. We actually see the name "MUTHR" flash across the menu screen on the blu ray. Ridley once said this series is about "how the mommy and daddy meet". That could mean many things.
Shaw is infertile, and sex was a part of the lifecycle in this movie. Aliens are said to need human genetics to complete their classic form. Maybe they need genes/traits from the X & Y chromosomes. The Alien design has always been psycho-sexual in nature, plays on subconscious sexual fears...It might make sense that it actually gets its look from our sex genes...
This leads me to believe that X and Y chromosomes are very important to understanding the Alien. The prisoners in Alien 3 all had double Y chromosomes... They were all born XYY. I feel this is somehow important Every male would possess the x chromosome, so if the alien needs mainly traits from the x chromosome it can get them from males. I think Holloway's infected sperm only temporarily reanimated/morphed Shaw's infertile ovum into something viable. Shaw's infertility was passed to the Deacon, Deacon can't become a Queen yet..
Mothers are the true creators of life in my working theory. There's something that occurs in nature called sexual dimorphism, which means that in some species the females are larger than the males and vice versa. In some species females are much larger. They have a completely different morphology. Different phenotype & different physical expressions, yet same genotype. This happens often in birds. Females can be twice the size of males, different shapes, and colors. Our species is different. Things have averaged out a little. Males were much larger than females in our evolutionary past.
In some species, the female is larger & dominant. This is true of the Alien species...The Queens rule. Kings have their reign over humanity & the Engineers... The medpod was programmed only for males, but Shaw overrides this. Alien wasn't really about motherhood in the beginning, it wasn't decided whether Ripley's character was male or female initially. But making Ripley the survivor was a huge deal back in the day, not just for the plot twist. Cal is an android with a female appearance, that's why I think MOTHER somehow created her. Aliens are slightly hermaphroditic, the Alien has a male side, but it's repressed. Like how the Queen supresses growth of other Queens with pheremones etc in the comics, suppresses growth of certain genetics. More like a wasp hive than ants, but even that's just in the way they create drones & worker bees.
If Engineers seeded us, then the potential for the x chromosome came with them or it arose on Earth. We haven't seen Engineer females yet... It's my belief that female engineers are much larger, were once dominant, and their species is one of many where females are much bigger.
In essence, the original Jockey has some things in common with Ripley, if you get what I'm getting at.. It's also a pilot and tried to leave a message/warning ;)
There's a lot more to it, it gets even more science-y but too much to go into in detail right now. Suffice to say that I've thought a lot about species where the females decapitate and cannibalize the males...feeding the male genetics to the young. Some worms are hermaphroditic. Worms can be split in two, and each side will continue to live. It's interesting how worms mate. They're hermaphrodites but can't procreate alone, a bizarre form of double mating occurs...
Millburn thought the Hammerpede was a she. Fifield asked "you really think that's a she?". The Hammerpede is both sexes, male & female, can be viewed as both. If you cut off the head of some types of worm it will grow back. The Hammerpede had regen cababilities of a facehugger + the worm's natural abilities. When its head was cut, the head and body both regrew...
There's also species of worm where the female is so large that the males actually live inside them. What if the male Engineers turned against their females & now carry the female Engineers with them on their shoulders...
Something Real
MemberTrilobiteJun-04-2014 4:23 AMSHAMBS - I would absolutely adore seeing Sigourney back in that action of the Aliens universe; she's been one of my favorite actresses since I was a little girl! She's so bloody awesome! That being said, I have to agree with some of the others who've posted the statement that Ripleyy's character ended in Alien 3. Of course, I'd never pass-up an opportunity to see more Ripley thrashing Xenomorph backside, but the wrighters would have to provide a compelling and engaging story for such a conclusion to her character. :)
robotdad01
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2014 10:59 AMJust have Alien3 and Alien:Resurection turn out to be 'bad dreams' that Ripley had while in stasis. Start Alien 5 with Ripley, Newt, Hicks, and half-Bishop going of to fight the engineers and the xenomorphs.
brego
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2014 11:19 PMi would have agreed RobotDad say 10 years ago re the bad dream, however the cast are now too old......
I would love to see Sigournie in 5. Why not have another clone, gown only a few years after 3. She has returned to Earth and a few years later the Company draws her back into a new drama involving the Alien, as she is an expert. Who knows, Hicks and Newt could have been cloned too. Set it in space, perhaps on LV426 in a new subteranian Engineer location newly found by the company.....
Necronom 4
MemberNeomorphJun-06-2014 4:28 PMThere is a way to have her back for an ALIEN 5 and bipass the "clone thing" AND sort of delete ALIEN resurrection:
Simple; During her stay on Fury 161, she falls into a strange coma which can't be explained. Her death, and the events of ALIEN resurrection, are infact a nightmare she is having.
ALIEN 5 could start with her being revived by Yutani operatives on Fury 161.
The poster was good though!
Necronom 4
MemberNeomorphJun-06-2014 5:21 PMRipley deserves to have a proper ending, as Ellan Ripley! Imitation Ripley clone just doesn't cut it.
The poster was good though!
Ruhaniya
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphJun-08-2014 5:59 PMRrright!? Not without ingnoring a bunch of stuff? Ya i'm cool with that!
Lone
MemberPraetorianJun-11-2014 9:22 AMRipley died in ALIEN 3, Sigourney said at the time it was Ripley's swan song!
So yeah, let's milk it once again, and hand over directorial duties to yet another director, so they too, can s**t all over the original concept!
The [O'Bannon/Scott/Giger] Alien saga was highjacked, nay stolen!
In fact, I now view ALIEN as a stand-alone movie, completely free of the 'canon' or 'non-canon' fodder!
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger
Major Noob
MemberOvomorphJun-11-2014 2:25 PMRock on Lone I'm with ya on that except I'd have to add Prometheus!
Visionary Alpha
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2014 11:03 PMRobotron
MemberOvomorphJul-28-2014 8:08 AMHmm. Shouldn't be a problem given a good story. But it's a challenge for the writer. If Sigourney can keep up with the rigors at her age, it can do. But I guess at that age, it's harder to sexualize her. I reckon most watchers of action movies would want sexualized representations of women, especially with a male audience. I hope that'll be avoided.