Why the prejudice against xenomorphs?

I have discussed this a number of times, and i feel the reason why in Alien the creature was more of a Horror element was because of the enclosed enviroment and the lack of military training and equipment the Nostromo crew had...

If they encounter the Organism in a more open space and was faced and out numbered by Armed and Trained Mercs etc then the Xeno would not be able to pick them off one by one.

The interesting thing from Alien was the Xeno had a agenda, it was a organism that had fear, it knew it could not go out in the open and it had to be stealthy, it was the only one of its kind on that ship and as the deleted scenes shown its Agenda was to procreate.

In Aliens the Xenos was clever they cut off the electric supply, they use the space above the ceiling to sneak upon the Marines.

Ridley had described the Xeno as being insect like before Cameron gave us the Bugs, likewise he also said the Space Jockey was a suit long before Prometheus to the dismay of those who view the Space Jockey as a Giant Elephantine Organism.

If the Xenos purpose is to procreate and this comes from Star Beast concept and ideas in that draft that Alien was based off, then Camerons idea of a Queen makes sense if these Organisms main use is to Procreate its kind, in which the Egg Morph scene makes more sense if its to produce a Queen.

Maybe the idea of how this Organism Procreates is not how Ridley intended to do so, if he made the Alien Sequel.... but not Ridley can use the ideas he had to be used with a new breed of Xeno.... or the Xeno's predessor and go that route of creating a new Horror that has Xeno connection but that behaves differently to the way the Xeno evolved on screen after Alien.

I agree with Lemonade about the sci-fi part being dark and creepy with mystery. I just dont think Ridley would even think of doing a submarine type warfare in space like star trek becausee its not that at all. Engineers probably do battle like humans do except with biotech and engineering black goo to suit their needs. I want to see the Deacon rip head off and start doing the killing one by one and then when needed go back to where Shaw and David are.

Honestly I love the creature too but dont make this an Alien-y movie in terms of the xenos just ET suspense and mystery with the Space Jockey race that what it was about anyway.

There are plenty of aspectes of the Xeno genus which we have yeat to see.  Growth wtages, resin creation, worker to Queen growth.... These areas Ridley could explore...

@Brego

Nah, that's not stuff I wanna see. Does anyone give a shit about how they create resin, or what they eat, etc? No.

I'm talking about stuff like Spaihts' David/facehugger scene.

I am very surprised that no one is thinking what is really possible now with 
special effects.

Look at the new work done on Transformers....a lot of that stuff looks incredible.

So don't anyone say what cannot be done. 

They could make a new Alien movie much better than the first no problem at all.

It could be very scary and dark. Put the right tools in the hands of the right artists and you can make anything! There is nothing that cannot be immagined!

@Lemonade

I for one would love to see the connection to the Resin and Xeno, and Engineers Bio-Tech as there does seem to be some kind of link to how the Xeno produces the Resin to build hives and the look of the contruction of the Derelict and Jugernaught and Engineer Walls and corridors.. And there is a connection to the Engineers Space Jockey Suits and Preasure Suits and the Xeno Bio Tech Exo-Skeleton.

I would like more to find what genetic and manufacturing connection there is between the two, as opposed to be shown here is a Xeno Egg and wham... Xenos on the lose.  The only clue we need to Alien as far as the same kind of Xeno we see in Alien Franchise is simply how do the Eggs come about, once we see how they are made/evolved or laid etc etc, then we know the rest!

Well Lemonade, id definately like to see resin creation. Id also like to see growth stages, skin shedding etc etc. There are plenty of canon ideas which we have yet to see....
Another idea is the hierachy of the hive and what would happen where different hives meet. Does a Queen require fertilising? 

Also as we are looking at other worlds with probably a number of native species we could see a number of different Xenos... The possibilitie are endless, along of course finding out why or how in the first place the Xeno species came to be. Accident or by design.

Yes Brego it would be interesting but then we would see movie that is well in essence another Alien movie...

I would actually hope they go a different route and uncover that the Engineers/Elders must have came across some Organism, or something else that they used to borrow and create there Bio Tech from and that the Xeno is one of many experiments created from dabling with what ever they found.

We could thus get a explanation and clues to how come the Engineers Bio-Tech and Xenos etc are related.

It does not even have to be a creature, it could be some kind of machine, or even some kind of Substance.... but i dont like that route because well as the movie did try and imply that this Goo was the basis for all things including the Xeno and us, i just think it has holes in it as far as to how come Mankind carried Engineer DNA and Traits and not Xeno and how come the Organisms and events in Prometheus carried Xeno Traits and DNA and not Engineers etc.

My idea was that these Engineers had used the Goo to seed worlds as we saw at the Start and that what we saw in the movies is there Goo breaks down their DNA and acts a a Evolutionary Accelerant to Hyrbid their DNA with basic Organic Life and that what occurs is it passes on Engineer DNA and kick starts Evolution and Engineers come back to carry out similar experments and thus mixing of DNA untill the creation of life we have now occuried.

But they did this on another World, but this world had somekind of under water Organism, like a Correl and some kind of Crustacean/Cephalopod Organism.  The Engineers may had done this my accident by a crashing of a ship that spilt a lot of the Goo the Sacrificial Engineers used.

What happend was this then lead to the Engineers on the ships DNA being broken down and mixed with the Organisms on the World and what we then got was a mix off Engineer DNA and best traits with the Crustacean/Cephalopod Organism DNA and Traits, Engineers and the Corral.

What we got was some new kinds of Organism, and Hybrid Engineers and the Engineers was like WOW look at that and then futher Engineered and borrowed from this accidental creation and what became of it was the Bio-Tech and then a whole host of other Organisms.

This Crustacean/Cephalopod Organism mixed with Engineer DNA produce something similar to the creature in the Fresco.

I had not yet gone into detail of exactly the process and stuff as was just flashing about a number of things connected to a idea as above for my draft.... but what stopped me in my tracks was how to explain the Engineer connection with creation of us and why and who created them etc.... This was a BIG QUESTION that i had trouble focusing on one answer lol

So i abandoned my draft and ideas as around that time it was confirmed Ridley and Fox had signed on someone who had worked on a draft allready.

Good ideas Big Dave. I think we could get the best of all new ideas plus the the Xeno stuff we wanna see and havn't yet seen. i think if the Vagina Squid and the Deacon had been more biomechanical and Xeno like and les fleshy and animalistic, we Alien fans would have been fullfilled and left eagerly wanting more... The only things I didnt like about Prometheus (other than some rather un scientific, professional behaviour by some of the Scientists) were the creature designs. In my mind it beggers belief that Giger was'nt offered, used and ultimately allowed to re disign his masterpeice. What we got was slightly too divergent from the masterful creatures that we love...

having said that Im totally looking forward to two!

Giger had some input but then a few other Artists came on board and some of the concept work while they was going through Spaights draft before they got Lindeloff in and tonned down the Xeno elements.

Well the concept work was all very much Gigerish.... the Space Jockeys even looked more like the original.

I think they just wanted to dilute the Xeno DNA and this passed down to all aspects, mainly the Deacon as you see the Mural one was very Giger as it was Gigers work.  The end one was well less because it was supposed to be Human Hybrid after all...

I think the biggest disapointment as far as Giger feel and Xeno was Fifield... The Worms became larger and had that Alien look about them, they did not look like Worms no more.

Here is a Fifield that looked a lot like the Animatronic they was going to use, but then for some reason changed mind, so they just Toxic Avengered Fifield and then after they shot a CGI Alternative.

Here was Animatronic based on above..

And some other more Giger/Xeno Concept Fifield.

Yeah Id seen these designs, it was a shame that the CGI version of Fifield's return were a little animated looking, I understand why Ridley didnt use them in the final cut... I like the look of this version of Fifield, it is more Gigeresque... Pity it wasnt executed properly. As for the gigantic V-Squid, I hated it... I liked the body design of the Decon... But no tail... and I didn't like the mouth design... Loved the Engineers, despite the size issue, also the Silo interiors and other environments along with the Engineer's ship, all very Giger yet subtly updated...

Had a thought the other day that as the Xeno's seem to replicate their surrounding environment and host in some ways, perhaps the egg breeding senario is some kind of organic version of the Engineers vases, replicated genetically as some kind of dna copy, built to propegate. Maybe in the same vein as the Xeno's body details in some ways resembling the Engineers bio suits.... Just a thought. Maybe some kind of DNA memory....

A lot of people was not keen on the Deacon and felt it was way watered down too.

But people seem to forget the process...

In Alien the Chest Busters loook different because they come from a Face Huger which we have to assume is more pure Xeno DNA, this Face Huger implants a Embryo into its host and this gestates for a period of time before we see the Chest Buster which is not quite the same design as the full Adult Xeno, its starts of smaller but grows a considerble amount.

Now some Organisms on Earth go through changes from Birth to Adult a Frog could be a example and also a Butterfly.

The Deacon at the end of Prometheus we have to remember again came from a Face Hugging event only the Face Huger was Larger, but we also have to remember this Face Huger was not pure Xeno DNA Face Huger....

Nope this came from Xeno DNA that had mutated and evolved what we must assume was a Early Stage Fetus, well at very least a infection of Xeno DNA at the Egg fertilization stage.

So what we have is a similar Organism to the Face Huger only one that looks a bit different but is not 100% Xeno Face Huger.... it is a Human DNA and Xeno DNA Hyrbid Face Huger, just as Hammerpedes seem to be Xeno DNA and Worm DNA Hybrid and Fifield a Humand DNA and Xeno DNA Hybrid that the original idea was (Spaights draft) and how the other concept works looked.

So now we get to the Trillobite being part Human and part Xeno, the resulting Chest Buster would be part Xeno/Human too, as far as traits go.

Maybe thats why it has a Placenta, and why it has no Tail and why it has more Human Hands and why its teeth are more Enamel and not Metalic like the Xenos.  We have to assume as a Human Baby is near fully formed compared to its Adult Stage (does not change much apart from pupety and size). Then the Deacon would not alter much but also grow like a Human and thus be 3.5X the size when its fully grown..

If so well i am sure as Babies and Puppies lose their cutness and get larger, then the Deacon would have more menacing features and also stand about 18ft tall.

yeah Big Dave, I get that and you are correct. The original burster was a fleshy, pink long head with a tail...  The body design of the Deacon was very adult Xeno like and I thought was a great expansion of the original... And I liked the metalic blueish hue, but the pointy head, lack of a tail and weird joke teeth mouth I hated... dont start me on the giant hugger... The size made it less shocking and dramatic. I think one of the reasons that the original hugger is so freakishly scary is that it overly strong for its size and was agile and quick.

Lets hope that as the Deacon grows it grows into a spikey, hard, biomechanical and beautiful creature, like the one we love.