30,000 year old evidence???

Alot of ancient Egyptian culture is distinctly original or from the heart of Africa even Anubis and his jackal form is from early African animism or shamanism. Jackals are scavengers and often will hang around human cemetaries looking for food. Soon the people realized that these animals were associated with death and embalming. I think the truth is in DNA and in ancient writings yes cuneiform is the worlds oldest official system of writings from kingdoms like Eridu and Shurupak of Mesopotamia. Although the king Scorpion macehead and his tomb have been discovered along with ancient trade tags with pictographs of their locations. Its odd to me that this king and Narmer have the rosett symbol along with Horus to show their kingship. Now, the rosett has an origin thats not Egyptian its Sumerian and its dedicated to their high king god An. There is a place in Egypt called On/Heliopolis in ancient times its significant because it was named in honor of An or Anu. There is plenty of cave art in Africa that makes these petroglyphs seem esoteric. A place in Niger where the the Sahara used to be alot greener and had rivers along with crocodiles, elephants and giraffes about 5,000 BC to 10,000 BC. There are also men with suits on called by locals the "Tassili astronauts" and some look like mythical monsters while others look surprisingly familiar with bubble shaped heads and belts with gloves and boots on. The oldest Sumerian and Olmec Indian sculptures have men with wings and oone showing a man with a torch (not a flashlight to our UK readers) coming out of a device and wearing a backpack with a hose to it.

@ Chauvet

Zep Tepi is the same story of the orignal Sumerian texts about the waters above and below the firmament. Its the same story just from Africa but using actual locations to show somekind of underworld, where nothingness lies. Duat and Amduat where the souls of people must traverse the underworld Nile to reach heaven. BTW did you know that Ra is not from an Egyptian word? Marduk and Amun have a similar story to them except the Babylonians changed the story a little to fit their version of supremacy of their "god"/ET.

Thanks for the info.

Problem is, though, you're giving me info form a timline that is from about 15,000 years to the last 3,000 or so, roughly...

The chauvet cave art is 30,000 years old..

And then there is this..

http://www.chauvetdreams.co.uk/experts-dispel-out-of-africa-theory-dna-suggests-human-denisovan-ancestry/

something is very wrong with everything we thought we knew..

Interesting article and its possible but why do we as humans still have that African DNA most genetists still find the Out of Africa theory still plausible. Well the 15,000 year time frame is when we had our intelligence get us through and make civilization. A site off the present city of Dwarka in India show us the our civilizations go back at least that far back and its older than Gobekli Tepi in Turkey. Cave art has plenty of Anunnaki or Greys visiting us and maybe tampering with DNA look at modern day "alien abductions" today its always about upgrading somehow. Seriously the ones who were indeed here point to giant men with white hair and larger blue eyes with tremendous strength and knowledge. The Book of Enoch speaks of these beings called the Watchers and in southern ancient Iraq, we have the Shumerians which was called Land of The Watchers. Nefilim, Malachim, Rephaim, Seraphim, and Anakim. Anakim comes from the word Anaku which in ancient times has a direct linguistic connection to the word ANU-NNAKI. In America my American Indian brothers the Hopi believed they were visited by men from the stars called Ant-Friend and in Hopi its ANU-NAKI. Im Cree and Chippewa Indian descent.

I tend to follow the multiregional hypothesis. There's a lot of reasons, but i also think hybridization between hominin lines was more prevalent than we believe. We have neanderthal genes in our DNA, this indicates we were able to interbreed. It wasn't until recently that this was discovered. What we consider separate lines of early man might have been able to interbreed during the time homo sapiens arose and replaced the older hominins. I think we basically outwarred them, became smarter with our tech, and many groups were interbreeding at the same time, as many changes took place and as homo sapien became the most common phenotypic expression of the genes..

The environment plays a crucial role in shaping things, Some hominins interbred, some stayed isolated, and when modern humans arose diversity in different environments continued, early man migrated all over the world after the second major push out of Africa...Even the peopling of the americas might have happened far longer than 12 000 years ago, as northeast asian coastal groups began to cross Beringia into north america to become the North American circumpolar people. Sinodonty shows Native Americans originally came from Asia but then continued to diverge. Circumpolar people actually had shorter, stalkier bodies, so that they could conserve heat. Thier bodies had many adaptations that allow them to maintain core body temperature better, diets that promote insulated layers of fat, and high energy intake through fish/marine life. When the coastal and Beringian peoples began to move either along the coast or interior ice-free corridor down North America you get the peopling of the Americas...However, there are still qustions about exactly how some of the south american groups originally got there, there may have been trips even earlier. Bone tools and what could be tool marks on bones have been found at some sites dating to over 20 000 years before present in some locations.

Many aboriginal groups talk about knowledge passed to them, or knowledge about these strange beings, the red haired giants are one of my favourites. The Ant people etc. What were red haired giant legends doing in North/South America? That to me implies a lot of strange things. Even if you're looking at it in a mythical sense, where did this idea come from? On top of that we have all the stories mentioned above, skinwalkers etc the Anasazi, the people that the Olmec and Toltecs claim came before them, passed their legends down etc.  Many strange things...I believe some artists/musicians know things about the true nature of our world, mainly because of their connections to the world's current power-elite etc, that's a whole other story, it involves artists and shamans being able to possibly tap into collective consciousness more through the subconscious, Thinking that's based more on archytypes and symbols, easier to remember oral traditions if a framework of symbols connects it.  What should be mentioned is that some aboriginal groups didn't use written languages, we find the same pictographic type of languages in North America, hieroglyphs etc in south america. I feel this type of symbolic thinking, thinking in pictures, communicating in pictures/symbols and archytypes is very important. Something we've almost lost, that many aboriginal cultures were able to hang onto for a while.

We know adaptations arise due to certain changes in clmate/environment. People born in the Himalayas are barrel chested and have lungs developed for higher altitiudes, take in more oxygen. We see these types of adaptations in many cultures. Adaptations to the environment they stayed in/moved to after we all became modern homo sapien. African body types are taller/slender on average to distribute heat in the dry, arid climate the body plan evolved in. The amount of melanin in the skin allows for more heat absorption and circulation to the extremities. By nature a lot of the African cultures stayed relatively isolationist.  Nubians were aware of/interacted with China, India, Egypt mid-east etc, but a lot of African cultures found subsistence patterns that worked,stayed relatively isolated until much later, continued to adapt slightly and change strategies over time. They hardly needed help from others in the way of trade goods etc.  Formed connections with other nomadic bands and pastoralists, follow herds and cycles of nature. We've started becoming a culture that is almost all about consumption and transformation, instead of gathering and producing.

We all would have originally came out of africa (multiregional approach still holds that Homo Erectus was the first to leave Africa to move into Eurasia).  Migrations are something that will occur, and are hard to be tracked, modern homo sapien eventually leaves Afrirca but moves many different ways, different adaptations to the environments we ended up in etc. I believe phenotypic differences are differeneces in environment, climate etc, and reflect adaptations to different regions.  The environment shapes us, and we in turn eventually shape the environment in our image. We transform the environment, and the environment is constantly in motion and transforming us...Natural selection etc. Some aboriginal groups have far better concepts about how to live at one with the environment (there can never be harmony, one species is always consuming/producing more than another at a time)..  We tend to view native cultures, pastoralists and nomadic tribesman, hunter-gatherers etc, as less sopshisticated,even today, but their methods of subsistence worked for them and a lot of the isolationist leaning groups didn't have to change much until Europeans started arriving. Most of us have interbred already, or all sprang from the same place, and had chances of all interbreeding, some groups remained more isolated than others.

In essence we're all related, all archaic homo sapiens were eventually replaced as modern humans continued to spread out, many things got mixed, hybridized, while some groups stayed isolationist, didn't migrate as much, and continued evolving in their own ways(i think a big part of this movie series is this too, the hybrid theory, as we would have seen early man hybridized with the goo in the spaight's script...). Many groups migrated to new environments. New environment alone would ensure we were a little different from Engineers, yet genotypically the same.

There are questions about possible convergent evolutions, why many hominins overlap/are contemporary with each other, we have a few other problems..Spliters and lumpers can't decide if hominins are actually separate lines, or different variations of the same continuing line. Homo Ergaster, Homo Erectus, Hobo Habilis, Robust autralopitheecines, and homo rhudolphensis were all contemporaries with eachother in some parts of Africa, Even Neanderthal man was still around then. these probs are nothing compared to some of the artistic representations of things, the sunken cities in India, and what the myths are telling us. When we add a lot of other context to things, and re-analyze a lot of the myths in a cross-comparative sense, it's truly terrifying...

In many myths there's talk about the gods hybridizing with us, or literally interbreeding with earth women, the stuff about the fallen angels interbreeding with the daughters of man. The Dogon tribe of Africa and their knowledge of Sirius, the dog star. Many ancient cultures having knowledge of the movement of the stars. The Indian Vedas, which recount an astonishingly epic history/mythology. The stories from Inidia go back like 70 000 years. And they've got what seems to be an instruction manual for building ancient flying vehicles called Vimanas. Many pyramids follow the same sort of patterns for the base, same angles and same layout, cornerstone etc. It starts becoming clear the Pyramids all over south america share some basic features with those on the other side of the ocean. We can see that the mound builders attempted to make Pyramids out of earth, but there are way too many questions about some south american cultures. A lot of them are all saying the same things other groups from all over the world say in their traditions.

Also many of the groups that lived in central america, north america, and south america make reference to these beings, the Anasazi, in one way or another. Some even going so far as to depict some groups as blond haired...A trait that would only develop in a certain environment...possibly mountainous areas. Basically red hair and blonde hair could be throwback traits...that's why blonde haired people and red haired people will eventually be gone..Neanderthal man left us the red haired trait...While blond hair might come from cro magnon man, or maybe a little later or earlier, it's still not going to last, because it's not actually a dominant trait. Blonde and red hair are slowly dying out. Maybe some alien groups were blonde haired or we're looking at the fossils all wrong, and maybe misguided humans looked at the blonde haired thing all wrong in the past. It seems nature never intended for blonde hair to stick around because its recessive, and will eventually die out over time. Whatever blonde hair helped for, it's not really useful to us anymore...

I have small blonde hairs in my hair but my hair is dark brown almost black hair but I do also have white ancestry too from my grandfather and grandmother on opposite sides of the family. Blonde hair is a rarity now I only see it in Scandinavian peoples like Nordics and Swedes. Even blue eyes are recessive and mine are blueish gray sometimes they change color to greenish. Anyways as the Lakota Sioux put it Mitakuye Oyasin and that means" We Are All Related" as the human species.

Yeah a lot of anthropologists don't even really talk about ethnic groups as significantly different anymore, it's an outdated concept, race doesn't really exist, just different phenotypic expressions. We're all clines of the same family tree. People now talk about clines instead of ethnic groups or race.

We're starting to understand that evolution is almost a branching proccess, and it's more like we're all different branches of the tree of life...In a symbolic sense this ties in with what some of the mystery cults of the past might have already figured out. The tree of life concept is something that appears in many mythologies. Prometheus is dealing with fire/the tree of knowledge, more than the tree of life, but i thnk the fPromethean fire can represent aspects of both the tree of knowledge/tree of life. I've tried comparing Weyland to Hades in the Greek myths...I believe Weyland represents Hades more than Zeus or Prometheus...or even Hephaestus (although some of that is tied into his limp in the ted talk). I think Weyland's subconscious control of the dreamstate is almost the underworld...That Weyland was actually able to talk to David from Cryo and control the dream is something weird, I think the realms of the subconscious might represent the underworld, although I do believe in some subterranean legends as well. The Engineer in the beginning represents Prometheus to me, or the speading of the fire. Sped up evolution and caused life on Earth to start branching out. Later on they interacted with our cultures...There had to be some level of interaction in the past, during all their visits, if David can trace the roots of our languages back to theirs. Also, the cave painting show us worshipping them...Interacting with them. They landed on earth and walked among us for a time to even leave us the star map.. I think the Engineers only hybridized themselves with preexisting single celled organisms in Earth's ocean...

I think the original Engineers actually represent the Igigi class, as well as the Raphaem/the Atlanteans. At certain points when they returned to Earth they spread culture and watched over us for the gods and Titan class. A lot of clues point towards more than one Engineer faction, many of the myths involve multiple groups with complex relationships. i think think another faction represents their creators, the Annunaki, those who Shaw is now searching for answers about.. Atlantean concepts are very mysterious, yet still somewhat connected to the Prometheus myth and the Gods/Titan class. The Greek myths tell us the gods and Titans got in a war, the Atlanteans vanish around this time, yet Poseidon shows up a few more times.

Poseidon is actually responsible for a lot more terrible things than Hades. Hades wasn't such a bad guy compared to a lot of the other Greek figures. Zeus went around having sex with many earth women, Hades took persephone for half the year, but at least gave her back so the cycles of nature and the harvest could continue..Maybe Weyland acts like Hades, and inside his dreamworld, the girls who would have been on the yacht have been dragged down there, and are in cryo too somewhere.. Basically a huge theme to do with separating children from their family, mother/daughter themes, and the whole Persephone idea. Dragging people to his underworld, being able to communicate with David from there are able to trick his mind into coming back to life/staying alive longer with technology. Weyland would represent Hades, who loves a good trick. deals in souls etc but is not really the equivalent of the devil, or satan ideas... He doesn't strongly oppose what Zeus is doing, although Poseidon might have.

It depends how you look at their actions if you view them as good or evil, Zeus is almost the worst of the 3 brothers born from Titans with some of the stuff he does to people to punish others and overthrow the Titan class.. but Poseidon created monsters and hybrids, giants as well as humans to fight in the massive war between the Gods and the Titans, sorta like Enki or Prometheus, Prometheus has some ties to Poseidon, Prometheus wasn't the first to create humans...Because Poseidon was the first to actually create humans...Or the first round of humans in the Greek myths..According to the Greeks, atlanteans got here first, and a mythical golden age, or Paradise once existed on earth in the past...Prometheus comes later and re-creates us as the fourth round of humanity...Greek lengends talk about how the gods already wiped the slates clean three times. Poseidon holds the trident, which is associated symbolically with the devil's pitchfork/lucifer ideas...Hades runs the underworld, but his actions aren't really as bad as some of the other greek characters. The Atlanteans were said to possess extremely advanced science, and were tall white men, before hybridized with fish and becoming mermaids. The mermaid legends come way later, the Greeks actually describe them as a lost race of advanced man who sank themselves and then became monsters, mermaids and hybrids, some things suggest they created the minotaur/centaurs and cyclops. As well there are other giants mentione

The Greeks borrowed heavily from the Near East especially Ningishzidda and Enki they are the first ones to arrive and make man. The only problem with that hybridized theory is that the Greeks like most European folks love monster stories and hideous things that lurk in the night. When a high priest of Babylon named Berossus wrote down all the prediluvial gods and kings  he spoke of a fishman named Uanna or Oannes and he came out of the Persian Gulf. The issue I have when people bring up Greek mythology is that its NOT the first so why would we go by a third hand civilization to find facts?...It never makes any sense to me and besides when Berossus told that infact he is a giant man but wore some kind of gear that made him appear like a fish and is a metaphor from where he came from.

Enki is Poseidon both have their homes in the water and both have these guys called Telkines which are very knowledgeable and they are the original Sumerian Uanna. Hermes has a staff called the Caduceus which is found in the earliest Sumerian temples and palaces of kings (Lugal) and shows a serpent intertwined with another serpent. Its all connected mankind was born a slave and became a joint partner with his "gods" and "goddesses".

Leave it to the ancient Greeks to fancify every tale and story but yet they had great philosphers and mathematicians like Pathagoras and his triangles.

Dont worry Im not upset at anyone at all its just that most people have studied Greek myths before the oldest ones because schools dont have the resources and text books to discuss them into detail.

We have a lot of details on the Sumerians and god kings, the royal bloodline ideas etc, as well as the ancient king list of Egypt. Others have replicated Zacharia's findings in his translation of the clay tablets, but it's viewed mainly as myth and legend. In order to make the stories on the tablets work and connect, Sitchin has to have a lot of the translations right. However, Alien astronuat theory is just a theory or a thesis. It could have some parts right, and some parts wrong. If you take history classes you'll learn a lot about them, but we still don't know everything about the Sumerians.  HIstory classes never start at the very beginning of mankind, but Sumerians form a part of recorded history. Culture and mankind started out long before that, there were farmers there around 9000 years ago before cities emerged in Ancient Sumer, we can tell from archaeological evidence how the city-states arose, why they believed the things they did, and worshipped the god-kings is still mysterious. You've gotta take prehistory classes to learn about what happened before Sumer, and then that gets into anthro/archaeo. Archaeologists don't only rely on the written word. The periods of time they cover stretch back to the very beginning of life as a single celled organism..It can get complicated, there are different ages, epochs etc We were already doing things with our early farming tools before the Sumerian kingdoms arose very suddenly...

There are different thoeries as to why this happened during the neolithic. Paleolithic and mesolithic had more basic stone tools, but during the neolithic rapid advancements in culture occur. Archaic homo sapien was not much different than us, and had stone tools 1.5 million years ago. These tools and technologies used during the stone ages never really changed in major ways until the neolithic. About 9000-10000 years ago the plough was iin use in Sumer, before city-states emerged. But it wouldn't be long before massive stone temples, gridwork and all the infrastructure that comes along with cities were able to built.  We know for sure people were communicating even before Cuneiform. People had a basic culture, but it almost changed over night in Sumer...The earliest stone tools come from 2.6 million years ago, Sumer suddenly brought about many changes in culture and technology, concentrated and focused it...Historians like to think Sumerians invented everything, but there were already ideas, and stories, things growing and developing long before being recorded. The earliest evidence of a hominin with a larynx is Homo Ergaster, who is contemporary with Homo Erectus. This means we may have been communicating verbally since Homo Ergaster's time in more sophisticated ways than many other species. Most organisms don't have the highly developed vocal chords we have, which enable us to speak.

The larynx is weird in that while in the womb the body goes through a stage where gills actually form on the developiong human. The gills quickly disappear as we grow and are an evolutionary throwback..The structure that is left of them on the inside of the throat makes a voyage downwards, and actually becomes your vocal chords...The human larynx/vocal box is unique. Chimpanzees can learn sign language, but apes communicate in grunts for the most part. Some can almost produce sounds, although apes don't have the sophisticated larynx (which used to be gills..) that we have. Ontogeny recapitualtes phylogeny. Means that while our cells grow and divide we sometimes exhibit evidence of the lifeforms we evolved from (us having gills at one point in our devlopment within the womb)....Some have said the Engineer in the movie had gills.

There are only a handful of people who can translate Cuneiform properly, it requires interpretaiton of symbols, as well as having the cipher, and even then there are differing interpretations over some things.  We know a lot about the sumerians, how their writing system developed mainly for bookkeeping, how the cities formed from the early farmers etc. Archaeologists have reconstructed their way of life from the evidence they left behind, but the problem is most historians still can't tranlate the finer details of Cuneiform. We know things about them from later writings, and can learn a lot from bare minimum translations, but there's still work to be done looking for any possible trace of the preists earlier form of symbol languages..Some of these symbolic languages are related in some ways to what would later become runes, and forms of sacred geometry. There's an art to Cuneiform.

Concepts outside of what's actually written in the Clay tablets MUST be brought in to even form a story... This all connects to why they ask David what he sees in the strange patterns and images during the Happy Birthday viral..He's been made emotional, in an attempt to allow him to be intuitive, and to recognize symbolic patterns, therefore hopefully being able to decipher the pictograms. Ridley is a very visual artist, uses Ridley grams to plan things, and might actually have the big picture all planned out in his head already...Whereas Lindelof and his words fail to express it fully...Things like the mural are visual puzzles intended to help solve Prometheus.

Each culture kind of played a version of the telephone game. The stories passed from culture to culture. However Greek and Sumerian myths are the ones that can still be directly compared. Weyland's mother  was a professor of comparative mythology at Oxford and looks for similarities and differences between the myths..Some of this undoubtedly rubbed off on Weyland, he was more inclined to believe Shaw, he knew some myths are talking about the exact same things. Names are switched around and the fish men idea comes from even further back than Sumer in Africa's oral traditions. The mermaid/fishman concept predates some of the serpent ideas. Many of these ideas entered our cultures even before the Sumerians recorded their perpsective on things, and can be seen in earlier forms expressed in cave art all across Africa...Before the Sumerians created an official language using symbols there seems to have been ways of communicating through art. It's this type of symbolic, cross-comparative thinking that i think is key with Prometheus. You have to recognize certain patterns to understand things about the alien lifecycle etc, start taking guesses at interpreting the mural based on what we know to fill in gaps.

the movie Prometheus has connections to many ancient cultures/beliefs, and Egyptian influences can also be seen, zombie fifield, death/rebirth themes etc. Basically I think the Engineers are connected to every one of the myths, interacted with many cultures... Priest/scientist classes are the ones who held all the real power in the past... held all the knowledge about movements of the stars etc, and preserved that knowledge, it's the king's advisers that are often the problem.  These preist classes and some of the mystery cults in Greece preserved some of the earlier teachings in weird ways, and gave birth to drama...They actually changed some of the older stories to serve their needs, with some of the mystery cults like those of Dionysos/Bacchus. The priest/scientist class used to be the same. Actors actually got their start in ancient greece, with the dramatic way in which they presented the older mysteries, but the core of what was being transmitted stayed intact.

Art imitates life, and life imitates art, Cuneiform is more like a work of art than a language, because it uses pictograms, tiny pictures and symbols, some of which can be interpreted multiple ways... Same with Prometheus. Prometheus can be read many ways, it's ambiguous...The Alien creature looks like both a female and a male at times, "you really think that's a she"? It's both sexes. It's necessary to cross-analyze with Greek and east Indian myths to figure out the full story..However Greek myth, like Prometheus, is presented in a dramatic way. The true meanings are hidden beneath the surface. Things are mixed together and it's presented as a lie that tells the truth, the mystery schools would act out parts of the myths...David has a forked tongue...He could make a good politician or an actor/liar/artist.. He uses Orwellian double-speak or politician-like double speak to remain ambiguous. Politicians use lies to cover up the truth, while artists use lies to tell the truth.

"Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed.

Talk and song from tongues of lilting grace, whose sounds caress my ear
But not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear
Oh, oh."

@HiveMinded:

Physical Graffiti is awesome!

@ Hiveminded-

Hey have you heard of the Dogon story of Namo who was the preverbial fishman? Its states that he did come from the stars and arrived with alot of fire and smoke and then made man and taught us many things except his master Ama (I believe its Enlil from Sumerian myth) did not approve of his creation and destroyed him, scattering himself throughout the world. I just dont know how exactly to interpret this metaphor after his destruction.