Scientists destroy Prometheus!

By flaws i meant criticisms. But it has far less then prometheus. Why does wy need a hole shio to get just one alien to earth ? Why not just hijack a ship full of people and experiment in space ? Oh they did that in resurrection. Why not drive the alien into the refinery and kill it with molten metal. Oh they did that an alien 3. Why not put people on the planet and get them infected ? They did that in aliens. Why not lock themselves in the lifeboat and depressurise the entire ship ? In the earlier scroipts they didn't have enough oxygen . Now there's a plothole. But it wasn't in the the movie it doesn't count. So what was to prevent them from getting into suits and stay in the lifeboat and kill the alien by depressurisiing the ship ? Zero atmosphere like space ?? It would have diied eventially . Because no one knows exactly what their situation was . No all the facts were revealed.

Hicks I a$ talking about the iris doors that dallas asked them close behind him $ how did the alien pass through them ??

The difference between alien and prometheus is like night and day! ItS really hard to falt alien - its soo realistic! Were as promethues is riddled with unrealistic inconsistent things! I am pretty sure the alien in alien was not behind him anyway in the ducts! It just comes from in front and up or down - been a while since I watched it though.

I guess they missed the larger point of the movie & decided to berate the details? That point being: Be ready to accept that all we think we know about our origins may not be correct! David said it best when he said, "That is why they call it a thesis." IMHO - I am not concerned with speed of space travel, or Fifield getting lost. Would you be thinking rationally after seeing what they just saw? Whatever happened to the willing suspension of disbelief, sheesh?

@Oduodu; HICKS is correct ^^ Dallas tells them to close all the iris's BEHIND him. The alien then moves towards his direction, but, by travelling down a duct that is running parallel to the one he's in. He then descends to the level below and the alien is already there waiting for him.

Lol u that is the main problem blue. If it breaks your suspension of disbelief it ruins the film! Suddenly your like wtf that wouldn't happen and you feel like your not there any more your watching muddled film instead. It was so easy to fix most of the problems and yes why didn't they! I wonder if this is what separates a lover from a hater - low vs high suspension. But if you have massive of disbelief why watch the film at all - you might as well just make it all up and fill in your own ideas. The opposite is spoon feeding which is not always so great. The best films are in between I reckon - just a touch of ambiguity and vagueness not tons of it!

Necronom4 Thanks for that. That makes sense . What about flushing the ship to deprive it of a breathable atmosphere ??

What flaws are to be found in Alien?  Let's start with life forms that bleed acid, contained in eggs that are living without any visible form of nutrition for an interval of time that can fossilize dead tissue. One attaches itself to an astronaut so efficiently that he does not die when it penetrates his helmet with said acid. Aboard the ship, it becomes clear it's depositing something inside him, and can bleed acid powerful enough to penetrate a hull, but he's left alone with it. Later, while Ash examines the dead and presumably rotting hugger, no precautions are made ( like getting the thing off the ship, for example) and neither he nor Ripley wear masks. When Kane awakens, even though they saw something being deposited in him no one X-rays him,  they just invite him to dinner. When the burster escapes, they go off alone to search for it, rather than in teams.  I'm really not trying to be a jerk, I LOVE Alien, as much as anyone here. But I COULD go on...

@Major Noob; Quote "What flaws are to be found in Alien? Let's start with life forms that bleed acid, contained in eggs that are living without any visible form of nutrition for an interval of time that can fossilize dead tissue." It's an alien lifeform, who knows what an extratarrestrial creatures biology is like? I really don't see that as a "flaw!" " When Kane awakens, even though they saw something being deposited in him no one X-rays him, they just invite him to dinner." In the scene where ASH and Dallas are examining the X Ray, one of them says, "It looks like it's feeding him oxygen. Keeping him alive." No one else except for ASH know that it is depositing a creature inside him. They just assume it was feeding him oxygen. "When the burster escapes, they go off alone to search for it, rather than in teams." Ripley, Brett and Parker go insearch of it, a team of 3. They also don't know at that point that it is growing rapidly. They would also assume that it was the same size as when it first burst from Kane. :)

@Odu; I don't know whether or not they could have done that without sacrificing themselves aswell. They wouldn't have had a 10 month supply of compressed air in their space suit tanks, as they were approx. 10 months from Earth, they would have died and the lifeboat couldn't have sustained all of them. Ripley says that in the film.

Yer bang on necro I was going to say similar things. It really is not so strange acid for blood. As long as the tissue is inert to the acid. Real scientist have predicted life forms much stranger based on planets were temperatures are different with rivers of methan and liquid metals etc. Etc. We might mwet aliens that burn or melt on earth... Check that out for a weird creature : [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle]Your text to link here...[/url] Chemical spray that biols! And thats no alien. They found a bacteria that feeds of cyanide recently too confusing scientists some think its not from earth.

Goshdarnit.

The Alien was allergic to fur, that's how I managed to evade it!.........mind you he agreed to let me live so long as I lured the crew members to him! ps I also pointed out the air ducts as a great way of moving around the Nostromo, without being detected, so he owed me!

And that's another thing! Would a cat be allowed to travel aboard a corporate space vehicle? I think not!! And it went into the same Cryo as a human? I don't think so!! It should have had a little tiny cryo of its own...

Realism in fiction is not necessary, but plausibility absolutely is and, as much as I enjoyed this movie, I have to say it falls far short in that regard on numerous accounts. 'Prometheus' is loaded with inconsistencies in character, poorly thought out plot execution and an irritatingly bad logistical approach. I didn't watch this science video, but that's not what I'm commenting on. It's the notion that because an individual like me finds fault with the film, I MUST NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. On the contrary, I feel I have as good an understanding of the film as anyone and what it comes down to are the objections I've stated. Don't assume I hate this film, because I don't. I'm merely disappointed with it and severely so. I wanted it to be better than it is and I believe it good have been: pulserifle 187...people state that Fifield had a map because he directs them as to which way they should go stating, "The Pupps say this way." And he points after having looked at the device on his wrist. Given the visual and auditory information in that moment, and the fact that he released them in the first place, it well within reason to suggest he had access to that information. Not to mention, he could have asked Prometheus for help and he didn't. These considerations make the fact of them getting lost implausible and silly. I, and I'm not alone in this, find it very hard to believe that two scientists, who still have com access to their ship and potential access to the map information themselves, cannot find their way out under those circumstance s and get as hopelessly lost as they did. They could have simply been left behind accidentally in the mad dash to beat the storm back to the Prometheus. Our group of scientists, one can reasonably assume, are the best money can by, given the stated mission price tag of a trillion dollars and yet they behave like children. Fifield's panic attack is over dramatized and frankly, a bit silly. Milburn's lack of interest in what is clearly the corpse of a sentient biological entity is an insult to biologists everywhere, not to mention his appallingly bad judgment in approaching the hammerpede. Holloway is as a six year old who's been at Disney world for all of six or seven hours and throws a temper tantrum because he hasn't talked to Mickey Mouse YET. This man has a doctorate? They have just made the most important scientific discovery in our history and this is how he behaves? The deleted scenes play up his drunkenness, which makes his behavior more plausible, not acceptable, but plausible. They chose to play down that aspect and cut the original scene between him and Shaw in their quarters to make him more 'sympathetic'. As a consequence, he comes off more child than anything and the sympathetic quality they sought is lost. Also, considering that his behavior is so undeniably immature and ridiculous, it's unbelievable that no one calls him out for it, ever; which is particularly maddening when you consider the fact that Shaw calls him out twice in the deleted scenes. WHENEVER A CHARACTER BEHAVES IN A MANNER THAT WOULD SEEM ODD, OFF PUTTING, BIZARRE OR FRANKLY INEXCUSABLE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON, THAT BEHAVIOR WILL ONLY COME OFF PLAUSIBLY IF OTHER CHARACTERS RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. If one considers the drunkenness and Shaw's negative reaction to Holloway's behavior, it comes off more plausibly. Instead, we get a child no one even seems to notice. Shaw's random emotional breakdown over being barren makes her come off as a basket case, given that we have no prior knowledge of it and it's relevance to the context of the statement Holloway made to trigger it is abstract at best, especially considering the nature of their mission; which she herself is one of the leads on. It comes off as random and pointless, when one considers that this version of the scene was a re-shoot to make Hollway more 'sympathetic'. He ends up looking careless anyway as he clearly knew of her condition. And please, don't misunderstand me here. I completely sympathize with any woman in that position. I merely am referring to the context of this scene in this movie and that's all. I could go on...but I won't...I'll just leave you all with this....in spite of my tirade, I do believe it's salvageable...I just cannot defend the theatrical cut as film that succeeded in doing what it set out to do. If fell far short of it's potential and I really do hope the sequel is a pleasant surprise...

You're right, craigamore, and I'd like to hear more. You have a rare gift at seeing the truth of things, and cutting through to them. I would say the movie still succeeds in some levels, though, but there is indeed so much confusion about what is acceptable in a film like this. I think they wanted to create chaos, and a sense of utter helplessness. Vickers, I also suspect, hired people who would clash with each other and fail to do good jobs on purpose. She had to let Charlie and Elizabeth on board, but the other people are just there to "find a way to make a profit" from the moon and the voyage. She liked Fifield's pragmatism, for instance, caring nothing for aliens and the "exploration" here, and to make the trip worthwhile she may have wanted a survey of the minerals done with speed. As painful as it will be, I think we all need to hear about everything IMPLAUSIBLE.

He doesn't have a "gift." He's just re-running the same nitpicky complaints most people don't care about anymore. They didn't act like stereotypical scientists. We get it, and we don't care. The audience also didn't care. Just because you think the characterization wasn't stereotypical enough doesn't make it "wrong" or a plot hole. It's also off topic for this thread.

I think the problem with Prometheus is that it was hyped to be what it wasn't, just like Blade Runner being hyped to be an action movie. Look at the fact that the film removed from all context is still very good. Point in case being that the film's priority is not to be scientifically accurate, just look at what it's based upon within the movie. A myth, it's dark fantasy set in space. It's science isn't accurate to modern understanding, but that's the great thing about science. It's forever changing and therefore changing our understanding of the universe. Who's to say in 50 years that there won't be a revelation that changes everything? Modern day science will never, ever be applicable to Science fiction because it's set in the future. So picking it apart is a waste of your time. If you have grievances with the movie itself, that's fine but it's also all opinion. There are no "factual" reasons to dislike this film, so those who think so need to take their heads out of their own asses for a minute. And see the film as a piece of art not a documentary.

Yes exactly craige of course - I totally agree - I may use different words but I mean the same things in general. Lol they still dont get it - we dont think oh they were acting weirdly they were not stereotypical scientists or a few of them were out of character we think almost all of them were out of character for most of the movie they just plain would never do that even if they were retarded but clearly they were not supposed to be retards they were scientists with education lol if I had to guess there IQ at parts in the film it would be some scenes 120 odd other scenes 5 yes thats 5 IQ! It just does not make sense in and form of logic except maybe ignoring the facts and making things up for yourself like maybe mind control or something :P . @major noob : "And that's another thing! Would a cat be allowed to travel aboard a corporate space vehicle? I think not!! And it went into the same Cryo as a human? I don't think so!! It should have had a little tiny cryo of its own..." Man you just totally did not understand alien did you! The nostromo was supposed to be a dirty lived in space truck of the future they were truckers! this is not like the space missions you see today in our world - all careful and vetted - space flight is common place and nothing special in the future - very realistic - very very! Ok it was a large and expensive truck but probably one of thousands. There was nobody there from the company to enforce any rules apart from the captain I suppose but even he hated the company. You need to watch it again and maybe read up a bit on it!

Irony is someone calling other people "retards" when their own prose reads like rambling run-on sentences. If you have one sentence that takes up nine lines in a paragraph, you are poor at English. Unless English is your second language, I wouldn't be talking about other people's intellect. Frankly, I'm glad the film wasn't filled with a bunch of stiffs like the know-it-alls would have preferred. It would have been god awful boring.