Scientists destroy Prometheus!

Yer bang on necro I was going to say similar things. It really is not so strange acid for blood. As long as the tissue is inert to the acid. Real scientist have predicted life forms much stranger based on planets were temperatures are different with rivers of methan and liquid metals etc. Etc. We might mwet aliens that burn or melt on earth... Check that out for a weird creature : [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle]Your text to link here...[/url] Chemical spray that biols! And thats no alien. They found a bacteria that feeds of cyanide recently too confusing scientists some think its not from earth.

Goshdarnit.

The Alien was allergic to fur, that's how I managed to evade it!.........mind you he agreed to let me live so long as I lured the crew members to him! ps I also pointed out the air ducts as a great way of moving around the Nostromo, without being detected, so he owed me!

And that's another thing! Would a cat be allowed to travel aboard a corporate space vehicle? I think not!! And it went into the same Cryo as a human? I don't think so!! It should have had a little tiny cryo of its own...

Realism in fiction is not necessary, but plausibility absolutely is and, as much as I enjoyed this movie, I have to say it falls far short in that regard on numerous accounts. 'Prometheus' is loaded with inconsistencies in character, poorly thought out plot execution and an irritatingly bad logistical approach. I didn't watch this science video, but that's not what I'm commenting on. It's the notion that because an individual like me finds fault with the film, I MUST NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. On the contrary, I feel I have as good an understanding of the film as anyone and what it comes down to are the objections I've stated. Don't assume I hate this film, because I don't. I'm merely disappointed with it and severely so. I wanted it to be better than it is and I believe it good have been: pulserifle 187...people state that Fifield had a map because he directs them as to which way they should go stating, "The Pupps say this way." And he points after having looked at the device on his wrist. Given the visual and auditory information in that moment, and the fact that he released them in the first place, it well within reason to suggest he had access to that information. Not to mention, he could have asked Prometheus for help and he didn't. These considerations make the fact of them getting lost implausible and silly. I, and I'm not alone in this, find it very hard to believe that two scientists, who still have com access to their ship and potential access to the map information themselves, cannot find their way out under those circumstance s and get as hopelessly lost as they did. They could have simply been left behind accidentally in the mad dash to beat the storm back to the Prometheus. Our group of scientists, one can reasonably assume, are the best money can by, given the stated mission price tag of a trillion dollars and yet they behave like children. Fifield's panic attack is over dramatized and frankly, a bit silly. Milburn's lack of interest in what is clearly the corpse of a sentient biological entity is an insult to biologists everywhere, not to mention his appallingly bad judgment in approaching the hammerpede. Holloway is as a six year old who's been at Disney world for all of six or seven hours and throws a temper tantrum because he hasn't talked to Mickey Mouse YET. This man has a doctorate? They have just made the most important scientific discovery in our history and this is how he behaves? The deleted scenes play up his drunkenness, which makes his behavior more plausible, not acceptable, but plausible. They chose to play down that aspect and cut the original scene between him and Shaw in their quarters to make him more 'sympathetic'. As a consequence, he comes off more child than anything and the sympathetic quality they sought is lost. Also, considering that his behavior is so undeniably immature and ridiculous, it's unbelievable that no one calls him out for it, ever; which is particularly maddening when you consider the fact that Shaw calls him out twice in the deleted scenes. WHENEVER A CHARACTER BEHAVES IN A MANNER THAT WOULD SEEM ODD, OFF PUTTING, BIZARRE OR FRANKLY INEXCUSABLE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON, THAT BEHAVIOR WILL ONLY COME OFF PLAUSIBLY IF OTHER CHARACTERS RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. If one considers the drunkenness and Shaw's negative reaction to Holloway's behavior, it comes off more plausibly. Instead, we get a child no one even seems to notice. Shaw's random emotional breakdown over being barren makes her come off as a basket case, given that we have no prior knowledge of it and it's relevance to the context of the statement Holloway made to trigger it is abstract at best, especially considering the nature of their mission; which she herself is one of the leads on. It comes off as random and pointless, when one considers that this version of the scene was a re-shoot to make Hollway more 'sympathetic'. He ends up looking careless anyway as he clearly knew of her condition. And please, don't misunderstand me here. I completely sympathize with any woman in that position. I merely am referring to the context of this scene in this movie and that's all. I could go on...but I won't...I'll just leave you all with this....in spite of my tirade, I do believe it's salvageable...I just cannot defend the theatrical cut as film that succeeded in doing what it set out to do. If fell far short of it's potential and I really do hope the sequel is a pleasant surprise...

You're right, craigamore, and I'd like to hear more. You have a rare gift at seeing the truth of things, and cutting through to them. I would say the movie still succeeds in some levels, though, but there is indeed so much confusion about what is acceptable in a film like this. I think they wanted to create chaos, and a sense of utter helplessness. Vickers, I also suspect, hired people who would clash with each other and fail to do good jobs on purpose. She had to let Charlie and Elizabeth on board, but the other people are just there to "find a way to make a profit" from the moon and the voyage. She liked Fifield's pragmatism, for instance, caring nothing for aliens and the "exploration" here, and to make the trip worthwhile she may have wanted a survey of the minerals done with speed. As painful as it will be, I think we all need to hear about everything IMPLAUSIBLE.

He doesn't have a "gift." He's just re-running the same nitpicky complaints most people don't care about anymore. They didn't act like stereotypical scientists. We get it, and we don't care. The audience also didn't care. Just because you think the characterization wasn't stereotypical enough doesn't make it "wrong" or a plot hole. It's also off topic for this thread.

I think the problem with Prometheus is that it was hyped to be what it wasn't, just like Blade Runner being hyped to be an action movie. Look at the fact that the film removed from all context is still very good. Point in case being that the film's priority is not to be scientifically accurate, just look at what it's based upon within the movie. A myth, it's dark fantasy set in space. It's science isn't accurate to modern understanding, but that's the great thing about science. It's forever changing and therefore changing our understanding of the universe. Who's to say in 50 years that there won't be a revelation that changes everything? Modern day science will never, ever be applicable to Science fiction because it's set in the future. So picking it apart is a waste of your time. If you have grievances with the movie itself, that's fine but it's also all opinion. There are no "factual" reasons to dislike this film, so those who think so need to take their heads out of their own asses for a minute. And see the film as a piece of art not a documentary.

Yes exactly craige of course - I totally agree - I may use different words but I mean the same things in general. Lol they still dont get it - we dont think oh they were acting weirdly they were not stereotypical scientists or a few of them were out of character we think almost all of them were out of character for most of the movie they just plain would never do that even if they were retarded but clearly they were not supposed to be retards they were scientists with education lol if I had to guess there IQ at parts in the film it would be some scenes 120 odd other scenes 5 yes thats 5 IQ! It just does not make sense in and form of logic except maybe ignoring the facts and making things up for yourself like maybe mind control or something :P . @major noob : "And that's another thing! Would a cat be allowed to travel aboard a corporate space vehicle? I think not!! And it went into the same Cryo as a human? I don't think so!! It should have had a little tiny cryo of its own..." Man you just totally did not understand alien did you! The nostromo was supposed to be a dirty lived in space truck of the future they were truckers! this is not like the space missions you see today in our world - all careful and vetted - space flight is common place and nothing special in the future - very realistic - very very! Ok it was a large and expensive truck but probably one of thousands. There was nobody there from the company to enforce any rules apart from the captain I suppose but even he hated the company. You need to watch it again and maybe read up a bit on it!

Irony is someone calling other people "retards" when their own prose reads like rambling run-on sentences. If you have one sentence that takes up nine lines in a paragraph, you are poor at English. Unless English is your second language, I wouldn't be talking about other people's intellect. Frankly, I'm glad the film wasn't filled with a bunch of stiffs like the know-it-alls would have preferred. It would have been god awful boring.

Right, can we stop bitchin please? I don't want this thread to be locked..

Come on people, you're better than this! @Necro- I was locked once..........inside a locker, by a smartass Morb! @Major Noob- a ship's cat has been a tradition for hundreds of years. Just sayin'!

I know Lone. Damn morb! :)

Its ok I finished :) . Hes just sore I destroyed him in another thread. You know someones lost when they start attcking spelling etc...even if they are typing with one thumb whilst working at the same time :D .

Well i have skipped this thread as seems just nothing positive to contribute to the movie on it... I will add my two cents to the OP and not comments. First i would hardly call these guys in the video scientists, and some of their views are not science based and they even have no understanding its a movie and SCI FI not SCI FACT! I lost interest years ago in what this video was trying to say i could not watch it all as well they seem to no JACK Sushi! Besides the movie will have flaws and things that go against what would happen in real life.. 1) Its SCI FI and thus fictional and so many aspects are not real, well not proven FACT... Come on Giants Humanoids created us via a Goo... this is just made up... but then even the believe in real Magical God is well not proven and then Atheist cant disprove either. 2) Which brings me to the things in this movie as far as Tech etc, again we ant got none of that Tech yet... Realistic Androids etc etc, so its not real or fact.... but then we can not prove that we could not get to that level in 80 years time. 3) While we can debate about the Tech side such as achieving faster than light speed travel and cryo pods... which i explained above in 2).... what else we are left with is other made up stuff like Alien beings and links to a made up Alien Creature. Xenos do not exist.... only in Film.... and thats the point, its a fictional story and if you look at most movies that are based on Fact and Truth well they kinda make for bland movies.... Some movies stretch of exaggerate what is real, like some Horrors like Texas Chainsaw Massacre or even Fast and Furious movies etc.... but hey its done to make a interesting story.... You see for most part real life is boring, we use movies as a escape, to engage in other worlds other lives that are either far far from what we will ever do in our lives or even be complete fantasy. Yes some things in the movie are flawed but not many movies are Perfect.... And i think those so called Scientist fail to grasp the concept of.... SCIENCE FICTION...... That is they are Fictional Movies based on Future, Space, Robots and other Tech that would be classed under Science of Future or Science of another World... Scientists.... yeah and Milburn and Fifield are too lol

Regards to Fifield and Milburns actions.... Yes silly yes how did they manage to get lost etc etc.... simply put this is a movie a fiction one, and one where they wanted to add some elements of Horror to it and thus provide them as canon fodder. The same applies with many Horror movies, how many Horror movies, Zombie Movies etc etc etc have we seen when some casualtiies end up dead because they did stupid stuff that well you would just not do in real life.. Your left thinking that was a dumb thing to do, and they deserved to die... (this applies to numerous and countless Horror movie canon fodder). The reasons are, these characters are not main ones, they are not intended to survive and they are just plot devices for the movie, be that to show how dangerous the Zombies are, or the Killing living Plant Monster, or Wolf Man, or what ever. Same for to show just how Deadly these Hammerpedes are and and the Goo should you get it onto you skin/in your face. Thus the Fifield and Milburn getting lost and acting how they was, was purely a plot device to provide them as canon fodder... Lets say they never got lost...... They read the map and got out back to the Ship... We would not have seen the Hammerpedes well maybe latter we may, but the emphasis then was on finding the Last Engineer. And we would not have seen Fifield get infected with the Goo, which means we would not have seen what happens when it comes into contact with a living organism. And also we would have had many crew members left alive as no Fifield to go Postal on them... Even if they got lost still but when they found the Hammerpedes they then ran away and managed to find there way back to the ship then... Again as above, but we would have seen what becomes of the Worms that got into the Goo... so again the whole reason they got lost, and then Milburn petted the unknown Alien Creature was purely for the plot of the movie.

Same thing can be said with Alien, call it real all you want.... Compared to some safety protcols you would assume some missions would have, or more common sense from the crew of Nostromo... And here are two possible outcomes well 3.... 1) They find a huge dead space jockey in his chair, see a hole in his chest leads to the floor and they then think... sod this let get out of here and they all leave and report that nothing to find apart from a Dead Alien being and they are just a haulage crew and no way was they hanging around... That be Alien over and a bland movie. 2) Kane is infected with a unknown Organism and Safety Protocols are in place that they cant risk bringing him back on ship and they leave him behind. 3) Or they have him locked up in a Quarantined area, secured (i.e like Cryo Pod) but then with this one yes the Face Huger could come off but then the crew could be cautious to think well Kane would be fine.... the would still Quarantine him in Cryo Sleep... But again the Chest Buster could then maybe get out of Cryo Sleep... My point being certain actions occurred in Alien to allow the plot of the movie to carry on, and Fifields and Milburns actions was likewise if not a bit more silly and odd.

Oh, yeah, I was "destroyed" by someone that made fun of a dead cancer patient's name all right. I wasn't attacking spelling. I was criticizing your inability to construct sentences while calling someone else's writing "retarded." I agree with BigDave's analysis. If this is your stand-point, the original Alien is "dumb" as well. A lot of the same stuff, human error and mysterious plot elements, is pretty integral to that movie. I'm glad they didn't go the Alien Vs. Predator, spoon feed the audience route with this movie.

Major Noob said it best. Maybe next time these "scientists" can debunk fairies, leprechauns, gnomes, and elves for their next nit picking project! Besides its You Tube everyones a know it all and self righteous so it isnt new. The most arrogant a**holes are on YT plain and simple rude d*ck-ish people.

God creates Ridley, Ridley creates Prometheus, scientists destroy Prometheus!, HICKS TO DESTROY scientists!!

There is such a thing as healthy criticism. The video is bad, but the question is what faults does the movie have. There are many, from purely subjective points of view, and more objective points.

Ok Haters, go to see Gravity if you want hard science fiction. You talk about *the time when space travel is a common thing* but you dont know, you dont know if the idea of ​​truckers in space is the most plausible, could also be droids or drones. Space travel is a difficult task, and for me the true hard science fiction movies show us the future based on the current technological advancement. However, when we turn away from these short-term visions of current technology inevitably begins to resemble magic. There is nothing so realistic in Alíen, the big difference is that the characters are better designed, besides the fact that do not act like idiots, but there is no type of scientific accuracy in Alien, thats just your interpretation. It reminds me of Giger fans who had the misconception that Ridley Scott and Giger have exactly the same creative vision. If you dont like the movie, just deal with it and move on, but if I were you, I would not expect a hard science fiction sequel, less when all this mythology is based on pseudoscientific speculations.

It's not all science, not even close to that. Read craig and DJ's posts! There is a "missing human dimension" in the movie. Three areas can neatly be discussed: 1) characters 2) plot 3) science

Which I covered when I say *the big difference Is that the characters are better designed, Besides the fact that not act like idiots* ...and yes, I read these two post. No offense to the authors, but there is nothing new that has not been discussed to death here: the plot, the holes, the characters, etc, etc, etc. It is better to deal with it, and if you want to be consistent with your disappointment: 1. The best would not pay for the movie ticket the next time. 2. The new writer is a noob, and Ridley Scott is a man of visual ideas, so go figure. 2. And not buy the blu ray too. xD

I want the criticism which is intelligent and accurate, and which is delivered in a friendly way and meant to be constructive. I do not want to abandon the film.

The words from Craig and DJ are not so new, Im only in accordance with the characters Review, but I will not start criticizing the lack of science in a movie about ancient astronauts, because it makes no sense. Also Prometheus is not a horror film, that said, I can guarantee you that with a better cut, better characters and better dialogues too, we would be seeing their complaints anyway. Fans like to complain about everything, like Lambert :p because the hard core people wanted a horror movie, and this has more proximity to the space opera genre. But I agree, its good to see intelligent criticism, provided they are not being dominated by hatred, of course. :p

The "Scientific" aspect of a film really doesn't appeal to me anyway. The ALIEN universe doesn't rely so much on science fact, it is more of a work of art, a nightmarish fantasy which reveals, in part, the amazing mind of H R Giger. As I've said MANY times before, the only problems I really have with the film, is the creature design. Carlos Nuante's design concepts were amazing and I'm really annoyed that they weren't used in the film! But lets face it, even with it's faults, it has some of the greatest scene's ever made in film history, the opening scene being a prime example! So, what it all comes down to, is, what is more important to you the viewer? A film which contains science fact, or a film that is made from the mind of a good artist? I do get frustrated with it at times because I feel that so many different people have put their two pence worth in, that it became a muddled mess. If you can take a step back and see the beauty in it though, and realise that the sequel may provide the answers to the mysteries that Prometheus posed, it will be a much more pleasant experience to sit and watch. NOVELIZATION NOW!

"Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.[2] It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated physical laws (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation). The settings for science fiction are often contrary to consensus reality, but most science fiction relies on a considerable degree of suspension of disbelief, which is facilitated in the reader's mind by potential scientific explanations or solutions to various fictional elements. Science fiction elements include: A time setting in the future, in alternative timelines, or in a historical past that contradicts known facts of history or the archaeological record. A spatial setting or scenes in outer space (e.g. spaceflight), on other worlds, or on subterranean earth.[3] Characters that include aliens, mutants, androids, or humanoid robots and other types of characters arising from a future human evolution. Futuristic or plausible technology such as ray guns, teleportation machines, and humanoid computers.[4] Scientific principles that are new or that contradict accepted physical laws, for example time travel, wormholes, or faster-than-light travel or communication (known to be possible but not yet feasible). New and different political or social systems, e.g. dystopian, post-scarcity, or post-apocalyptic.[5] Paranormal abilities such as mind control, telepathy, telekinesis, and teleportation. Other universes or dimensions and travel between them...etc. " Interesting reading that from wiki. And the comments here it seems the lovers of prometheus seem to generally not need it to make scientific sense which is lucky as allot of it doesn't. The haters being the opposite in general. Yet the very definition leans towards it being plausible scientifically lol! Alien was pretty much close to being totally plausible in every aspect that is why it is so highly praised and wondered at. It is its plausibility that makes it so. Prometheus has so many unplausible parts its hard to see were one ends and another starts. This is why a year and a half on most people still do not rate it anywere near alien. Its not going to change with time lol! So yer scientific plausibility is part of the very definition of sci fi well at least the straight up good sci fi. Interesting I never realised so many dont need it!

Oh yeah I defo agree that Prometheus would never be considered anywhere near on par with ALIEN. And part of the problem with this film is that it is categorised as Sci Fi, when it should be categorised as fantasy. However, it all depends on your own individual taste and whether or not you want the film to be scientifically accurate or a peace of art. You can't always have the best of both worlds. For example; If I wanted to make a film about a team of space explorers, who come across a planet that could possibly sustain life, and, eventually that crew come across deadly alien creatures, I should be able to do that without knowing much about science, but I wouldn't pretend to be an expert in science because I am not. So I would leave the science aspect out of it and consentrate more on the "unknown" aspect. I think that is what happened with Prometheus. It was not made by scientists and I'm glad!