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That's classic !!! Where did you get it ???? Lmfao x 10000 !!!!!!!

@ Oduodo I edited the images together myself. Glad you like it. Cheers for the appreciation. :) [url=http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/mcsnapshot/SCI%20FI/whatwaseggspected_zpsbb1e50de.jpg]image link [/url]

It wont be a stand alone movie, here are what basically 1) Ridley wanted from the movie and what the 2) franchise is hinting to go down and also 3) the reasons some scenes left out.. 1) Ridleys main aim for the movie after Lindeloff came in was to explore who the race behind the Space Jockey was.. Ridley had said ages ago that the SJ was a suit and not a skeleton. We was shown that behind these suits and Derelict/Juggernauts are a race of tall Humanoids, now the drafts had our Engineers being 12-15ft and that was revised to supposed to be 9-10ft but really they could only pass what we saw on LV 223 as 8ft beings. The idea behind Prometheus was that these beings had created life on Earth via a Sacrifice of their own kind to spread their genes. The movie hints they came back over many years to teach us, to upgrade us and we built temples and also worshiped them as Gods, in many ancient cultured depicted as Giant Beings from Space. The only let down as far as this was, that the size of these Engineers did not appear as giant as they would like and certainly not the 15ft the Space Jockey was but this can be fixed. 2) Paradise seems to be heading down the road of Shaw and David going to try and find the Home World these Engineers came from, and that LV 223 was just a watch post that was maybe changed to at some point or intended all along to produce and store a Bio Weapon to effectively destroy mankind and indeed life on Earth by mutating it into something new and horrific.... Why? Maybe this is one of the things the movie would answer as well as... Why did they create us? Who created them and what is the Engineers whole Agenda... 3) Ridley had removed the Elder Scenes as for one he did not want to give too much away about the Engineers and Elder Culture etc in the first movie. He has hinted these Engineers are not Gods at all but more like Angels and Fallen Angels and he did not want to meet God/Creator in the first movie and this/these creators are not God in the traditional sense. Ridley was not happy with the final look of the Elders too, he felt they just did not look as epic and awe inspiring as he hopped. Granted they looked very frail. He changed the Engineer scenes to make them appear more of a basic being with limited functions so they was depicted as just being some race created for a purpose and to follow orders and that they was aggressive as opposed to being more varied and intriguing in the deleted scenes. This to me indicates that the Engineers are being cast as mere servants to the greater Agenda of the Elder Race and that the Elders will be revamped. In essence the Engineers are merely to the Elders as David is to mankind. Maybe the Engineers or some of them had revolted against their creators? Ridley has every ability to go and re-create the Elders to make them more epic like Titans, and he also could go as far as give reason for why the Space Jockey was taller than our Engineers... These Elders and their creators had created these Engineers for a purpose and these Engineers could be drafted as a race of clone/made in Elders Image slave race of 7-10ft beings..... The Elders could be revamped to be taller race of 10-15ft or indeed have another race of Humanoids created that are 12-15ft tall... They could even have the Space Jockey as a Hybrid Race between Engineers and Humans to produce true Giants just as the Bible states.. So things can be fixed... The only things i feel that will not be fixed or shown are.. 1) We will see the Space Jockey as anything but Humanoids in Space Suits. 2) We will not be shown the Space Jockey on screen flying the Derelict etc etc. 3) We will not see anything to rule out Aliens as Canon, and infact we may not see much to explain the Xeno apart from vague clues etc.. i.e maybe less Ambiguous than Prometheus Clues but i dont expect to see any Xenos of even related Organisms running around like Spaights Draft.

@shambs Spaights orginal ideas and Ridleys was that a crew from Earth go to find clues left by these Engineers who created us on Earth and what they find is LV 426 and that this place is a outpost to breed/create/experiment on a Organism to produce many different varations of these Bio Weapons. It hints that these Engineers ultimately fell prey to their experiments and Bio Weapons. And the movie basically covered more of what kinds of horrors that the Out Post Contained and that these killed off all but one of the Engineers. We are shown various incarnations of Xeno related Organisms and also a traditional Xeno Face Hugger.... Some areas of the movie are a bit blurry but it does hint that they could be intending that the Last Engineer, was the Space Jockey and the Organism that Chest Busted on the Derelict then went on to Hunt for Shaw... Or maybe it may not have been? in which case Spaights draft could have happened on another side of LV 426, and thus maybe the Space Jockey is unknown and maybe could led way to that the Space Jockey was carrying Eggs from some place and crashed created a SOS but the Engineers either still carried on despite the outcome of the Space Jockey or that they indeed came across the Space Jockeys Cargo and transferred some to another part of LV 426 to began experiments on? Lindeloff then came on board to change it from a YES Xeno Eggs came from or was already on LV 426 by time Engineers set up camp there, and that the Space Jockey was either the Last Engineer or was another Engineer at another point in time who also suffered a fate with the Bio Weapon. So a movie that was more prequel and featured Xenos etc. Lindeloff came in to tone down the Xeno aspect and explore more of who the Engineers was and the reasons they create life, and also change LV 426 setting to a near by outpost on LV 223. Which i think was the best thing to do..... I do hope we get more clues to the Xeno, but i dont want a spoon fed movie thats just going to be a Alien 5 etc... but set prior to Alien. Nope i think the Engineers, their creators their Agenda and Culture is a much more better story to follow than the done to death Xenomorph.

@oduodu Its hard to say but when i see the Juggernaut and Shaw leaving and going to it, it does not appear twice the size of the Derelict. The Pilot Room did seem a goof 50% larger, and yes the Derelict seemed to have a larger lower Cargo Hold, but when you see the models you could get of the Derelict and look at how far down the Egg Cargo Hold was, well its seems it wont fit in the Derelict. So yes there is a scale mess, and always has been... The Space Jockey was supposed to be 26ft tall, the scene when the crew walk into the Pilot Chair room seems massive and almost twice size as Prometheus.... But thats because he used child actors and these gave us a Space Jockey of about 23ft not 26ft We then have the close up shots and then we see the Space Jockey Head etc is actually not vastly bigger than the head Prometheus had found... These then showed us our Space Jockey was about 15ft tall. Which in reality he was between 13-16ft based on Chair Actual size and guess length of Space Jockey assuming does his feet go all the way to the end.... Prometheus they did in drafts intend us to see a 15ft race, then a 12ft one. But again on screen that never happened.... The Dead Engineer and Engineer Suits on Walls all appeared to show us a 9ft race. Maybe hopping to create illusion of being 10ft... The people on Prometheus even said these Engineers was 9-10ft tall. But again with Alien the illusion never worked, and we actually saw Ghost Engineers who appeared to be about 8ft tall and then also the Last Engineer who appeared in some scenes about 8ft (where he was in certain angle and raised platform only showing from hips and up, well knees in some shots). To then other shots like when he was attacking Shaw and going through the Lifeboats Air Lock Doors that actually showed our Engineer to be 7.5ft tops... Basically both Alien and Prometheus they could not keep the Space Jockey/Engineers the size they wanted and they showed shots in both movies that appeared to give 2/3 different heights on our Space Jockey/Engineers... And as i said this can be fixed and explained.... Why cant the Elders had created different Humanoids in their image and thus a 8-10ft and 12-15ft races of Engineers?

Bigdave You think the derelict telescopic chair and the engineer jugg telescopic chair are the same size ??

@BigDave, Yes! sometimes he looks taller... [img]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/protoxeno86/prometheus_1_zpsea87cfbe.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/protoxeno86/prometheus_engineer_by_lady_shai-d5urjmt_zps9aa79877.png[/img] [img]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/protoxeno86/prometheus_engineer_by_lady_shai-d5urk1d_zpsbb892df7.png[/img] [img][img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/prometheus_engineer_by_lady_shai-d5urk1n_zpsf6380588.png[/img] [/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/engineer_speaks_5_zps62946634.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/prometheus-new-7_zps2bb0e122.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/w8bJatt_zps87542afd.jpg[/img] like in this concept [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/tumblr_m5nxu553tj1rrn3x9o1_1280_zps5581bc8a.jpg[/img] I also hope to see more scenes of engineers wearing their suits, in the sequel. [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/33ll10y_zpsb5f1bf21.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/vi8cFN0tcuM_zpsa774c023.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/USsw0UfOhRg_zps41378e06.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Lpsb8awFPkA_zpsd666b12b.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/d3rC5uutSc0_zps6f35d4a7.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/gCV_4vl6q84_zps8ee562f8.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/7k4FWdA0gpg_zps68dd1129.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/psNyV89c9l0_zps10356059.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/lKiM_XiqGEA_zpse4cb7f6d.jpg[/img]

@oduodu Nope they are not, but a lot of this error comes from the shooting.... to be honest Ridley has royally $"£% up lol.. If we look how the Pilot Chair looks in Prometheus and consider the size of the Engineer as 7.5ft then Alien when we see the child actors walk up to it then the Chair looks 2X size near enough.... In reality the Prop in Alien was 16-18ft Long, in Prometheus it was 10-12ft long... or so [img]http://darkstarfilms.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/alien-space-jockey-04.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.dvdfr.com/images/anecdotic/prometheus_space_jockey.jpg[/img]

LOL The engineers are a little larger than the arm of the original Space Jockey?

lol..... Almost lol... I would say the Original Space Jockeys Arms are about 6ft2" to 6ft5" His head considering its a mask i.e if we look at the Prometheus one compared to Engineer inside, then his head would be almost 3X that of a Humans. The Space Jockey was a odd image and its one that made some ponder was he a Pilot fused and stuck permanently to the chair, and one reason was the proportions i.e we dont see his bottom half. The calculations i make put the Space Jockey Prop as being 13-15ft tall. I have had some argue thats not the case and that its 25ft+ easy and it looked 5x the size of the Crew of Nostramo..... well not quite even when using Child Actors... Its like common sense of scale problem.... you see some do think te Engineer looks a good 9ft in some scenes, but until someone has seen someone that tall in real life you would not notice how huge that is.... now we ant got no one who is 9ft tall... But i did known someone who was 6ft11 and he was huge looked massive in real life... Anyway looking at some of the Engineers hots i picked this one as he looks bigger in this shot.. [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/prometheus_engineer_by_lady_shai-d5urk1n_zpsf6380588.png[/img] Engineer is in the foreground so that makes him larger... If we assume Weyland and David are 6ft then the Engineer appears to be 8ft2" approx if we use this shot, but this is only due to the actor being in front, like Weyland appears bigger than David yet Fassbender is taller than Guy Pearce who is 5ft10" Fassbender is 6ft I will do a image to show a Engineer compared to Weyland if he was first the 9ft unsuited minimum height intended for the movie and the 15ft tallest from the draft and the Space Jockey size and will post it.

[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/64e3yu.jpg[/img] Here we go, and when i tried work out the Space Jockey i calculated 13ft ish but the Chair was 16ft and production did claim prop was 15ft, hence the drafts for Prometheus had 15ft tall beings. This is where Scale comes into question as if you look above the taller Engineer looks as big as the Space Jockey.... you could even say compared to David he now looks what 25ft+ But nope he is actually 15ft if David in that image is 6ft The Smaller Engineer is the supposed size he was in Prometheus. Here is another illusion ... [img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01559/tallest-and-shorte_1559059i.jpg[/img] Worlds Tallest Man at 8ft1\" compared to Smallest at 2ft5\" yes the Tallest is only 3.3X difference it looks a lot more, now 3.3X Davids 6ft would be a being of 20ft high.

I think you may have a point there BigDave. In the image of the Space Jockey (the one being sculpted) the length of his arm looks well over 6ft, probably approx. 6ft 5 when comparing it to the bloke working on him. Now, a persons arm span is the same has the length of the person, so that would make him approx. 13-14ft tall. But I might be completely wrong.

@ Big Dave Some very compelling reasons and issues raised. One of the reasons I like the Alien franchise is that every movie does not rely on too much prior knowledge. In fact every movie can stand on its own merits. Though some more than others. If Paradise was released right now, would an audience need to have prior knowledge of Prometheus ? One thing is for sure, it is not called Prometheus 2. Maybe that’s because a’2’ looks too much like a ‘?’ and there’s certainly been too many of them.

Well to be honest having these Engineers as 15ft or even 13ft would maybe not looked quite right, same would be if we had the Space Jockey being 13-15ft and a Elephantine creature... When you look at that taller Engineer in my image i think its too big to portray well on screen.. So scale him down to 9-10ft would have been ideal, if they used special effects like Lord of the Rings and Hobit so out Engineers appeared the same size as the smaller Engineer in that image on the left next to David. Then i think most would have been more satisfied with the illusion. But most people would work out there was a vast difference in size of our Engineers and the Space Jockey..... but if they appeared the size of the smaller one i re sized to 9ft then i recon it would have been job done.

Yes, its too big to portray well on screen, and on the other hand; if they use effects like in Lord of the Rings, the Engineers can be played by good actors, and not necessarily by the interpreter of the monsters. Do not get me wrong, I think the Engineer from Prometheus looks great, but I just say it's not necessary to choose a big guy for the role.

This was one of my major disappointments with this movie.. That was the Engineers when interacting with the Human Crew, and if indeed similar special effects was used to make our Engineers look the size of the smallest one in my image i did i.e 9ft then i think i would have been vastly more satisfied and this guy could then be passed off as 10ft easy. Another one was Bobs Billy Bob teeth lol... i recon they should have gave Ian Whyte a set of better teeth lol... As the Sacrificial Engineer to me looked better as far as portraying these Godlike beings.. Then again maybe Bobs teeth and hands could have been put down to the Engineers Genome is becoming corrupt and not as perfect as the Sacrificial Engineers and maybe this is why they needed to seed Earth.