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The1PerfectOrganism

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My biggest problem with difference between Alien and it's subsequent sequels is the Xenomorph becoming more weak, I theorize it has something to do with the passage of time. For instance the Alien in the original film seemed invincible and smarter than it's brethren as did the Alien Queen, the link here is that they both come from Ancient eggs, could it be that the consciousness of the Facehugger (Memories passed down like instincts) passes through to that of the chestburster? This would also explain why the Facehugger dies afterwards to an extent. Could it be that (Suggested by the Deacon in Prometheus on the cross) that the Xenomorphs were once an advanced society that was committed to Genocide and the remainder put into stasis with the passage of time driving those in stasis insane? Into nothing more than animals with only the glimmer of Godlike intelligence left? (The Original Alien & Queen) with the insanity passing down the bloodline making the Alien less and less human (Warriors in Alien) and more and more an animal? That what if in some twisted fashion (As the Black DNA clearly has relation to the Xeno) the Engineers harvested this from the only other life they could find, of course later they would realise they were too dangerous to breed and committed Genocide (The Space Jockey on LV-426 could be one that was lost in the chaos as it was clearly seen that the Engineers use the Aliens as a biological weapon.) The first they find however could be the one "Pure" Xenomorph and in essence spreaded it's DNA (Using the Vases) to create life (The beginning of Prometheus) so that, always as Ridley wanted the Alien was not only Godlike. It is in fact God. What would you think of this kind of reveal/something similar in Prometheus 2?
Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
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BigDave
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Op I agree you can only work from what you see in the movie. Was the alien shot with a metalrod at the end of the movie ? It seemed to pass through the creature or was that only in the drafts ?? It seems the creature was able to be damaged. But how did it pass thorugh those iris doors so quickly ?? Without harming itself ?? The creature must be able to heal itself quickly after passing though the little hole left in the middle of the door ?? Could it squeeze through ??? At the speed it was moving ??? So then how do you answer the question you posed based on what is seen in the movie alien ?? Will you use what is seen in aliens alien 3 and resurrection to argue you point as well as prometheus ??
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The original alien was not invincible. When Ash calls it the perfect organism, he is basing that, as coldly as only an android can do, on strengths the organism has. He considered all factors, and added his belief that the organism is perfect also for being clear of any delusions of morality or conscience. The alien did not need any supernatural powers to earn this high appraisal, and I do not believe Ridley ever wanted to suggest such a thing. There is no truly supernatural aspect, only the alien having scary, disturbing qualities. I have no doubt that guns and ammo could have killed the original alien. They literally couldn't try that, and like I said, the alien did not need to be supernaturally invincible to be the perfect organism according to Ash and his scientific standards.
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Good points... Cant remember if i said it was invincible, i know it was not just some preferred how it seemed near that compared to how more vulnerable they was in Aliens. But sequels seem to always give us that, as Predator seemed more awe inspiring from the first movie, and indeed maybe the 2nd compared to how easy they was killed in the AVP movies. Th Xeno Perfect quote most like means it is Perfect for its function. Humans are flawed, and other Mammals inc Lions, Tigers etc.. Where as for example a Ant is Perfect for its function which to to procreate its kind, and i get this same instinct from the Xeno and i have in many other threads argued that even the Queen and Morph can co-exist as the perfect means to procreate. You see Ants when they no Queens, they can change one of the Eggs to produce a Queen or Queens by looking after and feeding the Egg different to others. Bees likewise. So my view of the Xeno, was that could Egg Morph be the route to create a Queen Face Huger.... to me makes more sense as the Egg Morph is a flawed method of procreation if it was the only means of doing so. Is the Xeno Prefect.... i would say nope, perfect for its function yes.... The only Perfect Organism in Sci Fi is The Thing... boy is that one nasty Organism to deal with the King of all Sci Fi monsters and Aliens.

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i never really agreed with the notion that the aliens got weaker and more animal like as the series goes on. okay, well maybe its true in the later movies, but not in aliens which is what i assume most are referring too. you see, in alien not only could they not shoot them because of the acid blood, but in aliens they are using [b]armor piercing explosive tip rounds[/b] not to mention, to me they honestly seem smarter in aliens. they know when to stop coming down the hallway, they systematically check for ways in, they cut the power, and the queen figures out howto use the elevator. they also show signs of good communications as it shows the queen signaling the warriors not to attack. now you could say that was all just the queen, but we don't actually know that, just because the queen appears to be smarter does not mean that the rest of them didn't do some of those things on there own. also i am not saying the alien in the first movie is not smart, it just doesn't show it as much. and as for the whole "they turned them into bugs" argument i would like to remind everyone again that insects were one of the primary inspirations for the original monster, so i really don't see the problem.
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@Invaderzit; They did get weaker in the sequels, that was made clear in the films. Bugger, I never know where to place my comers and full stops.

The poster was good though!

 

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@Necronom 4 › did they really? think about it. other then alien vs predator, the only other times where an alien was easy to kill was when using super insane sci fi weapons. also in alien they can stop the alien by closing the vents, in aliens they can break through a steel door. granted there are more of them, but just because ash calls them perfect in the first film doesn't mean it really was. it didn't actually do that much at all in terms of strength.

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