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MemberXenomorphOct-26-2013 3:38 AMPulse
Maybe scarabs got their teeth sunk into the molluscoid containing the octopoid soft white face hugger as in spaihts alien engineer draft . Then the engineers simply used that grow one octopoid facehugger and added to its genome and then it became the facehugger we now know but experimenting with it and there being variations on it .
Then they simply grow these eggs in stasis fields and letts scarabs bite them and then they become the facehugger containing field we see in alien, the jugg simply detaches the stasis field of choice like vickers lifeboat and it lands and whatever walks by gets "a lot of love and huggin".
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MemberXenomorphOct-26-2013 3:40 AMThe jugg being bio mech just grows an new stasis field because in Alien engineers Draft the engineers had technology where force fields created life and maybe even was able to "grow " (as many have suggested) the hull or machinery they needed ?
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MemberNeomorphOct-26-2013 7:42 AMYeah I would hope that the eggs originated from something other than a giant alien ant queen! lol.
This is from one of my threads called The Sacrificial Female:
"I was also inspired by Pagan satanic sex rituals. We all know that the Giger Alien is a sex beast haha. I imagined that there must have been a time when there were female engineers, and that they were probably fertile at one time.
What would the hybrid offspring look like? I imagined that the female would die soon after the ritual. The undeveloped, newly fertilised egg, is then removed from the female and cloned several times. The eggs are then left to develop under a blue light, in an underground chamber."
I've realised that Prometheus is full of Pagan symbolism.
1) The EGG is a Pagan symbol of fertility.
2) In Pagan Norse Mythology, Eitr is a dark substance with magical properties.
3) Contrary to popular belief, the Christmas tree is a Pagan symbol. Pagans would sacrifice animals and hang them on a tree as an offering to Odin.
They ^^ are just a few of many.
I would also go with the hammerpedes laying the eggs, then them being left under the blue lazer light, to grow and incubate scenario.
I also love the 'humanoids being morphed into the eggs' idea.
BUT, unfortunately, I think Ridley would probably go with the 'queen laying them' scenario. Boo!
The poster was good though!
meshuggah
MemberOvomorphOct-27-2013 12:28 AMThe only creatures in Prometheus that are capable of laying eggs are the acid bleeding worms known as the hammerpedes. As worms they'll reproduce by laying eggs...Also, worms are hermaphrodites and they shed their skin.
meshuggah
MemberOvomorphOct-27-2013 12:47 AMThen again, the eggs could have simply started out first as the urns; under increased temperature the urns mature and become more leathery, that's how they're designed. Everything we see in the film is simply xeno DNA splicing with other organisms creating hybrids, nothing more.
meshuggah
MemberOvomorphOct-27-2013 12:52 AMIf you look at how the urns are spaced out they really do paralell the eggs in the egg silo and also, the trailing rivers of black goo remind one of the tentacles connecting all the eggs together.
Ruhaniya
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphOct-27-2013 1:41 PMI love crazy ideas...especially inspired by Black N green goo. There are differences in the Cargo storage for urns and eggs in the derelict....The black goo urns are stored in the arms of the ship while the eggs are stored in caverns built under the derelict. What ever dug it's way down there must have come from the pilot then laid eggs. Perhaps ALL the engineers themselves are engineered for some sacrificial purpose in the Terraforming process. We have not seen how or with what is used to build these indestructible structures. Perhaps they build themselves? Either way it all starts with the Nano Goo
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MemberNeomorphOct-27-2013 3:08 PM@Mr Ruhaniya; Quote " What ever dug it's way down there must have come from the pilot then laid eggs."
I think that the eggs were there first. The SJ had an hole in his chest area, which would suggest that he had been facehugged by one of the eggs in the silo.
I've heard a lot of people suggest that whatever burst from the SJ's chest, layed the eggs in the silo. That doesn't make much sense to me. How would he have been facehugged if there weren't already eggs there? Why do they look as though they have been placed under some sort of protective/incubation/hibernation lazer light? I'm pretty sure that the "queen" wouldn't have created that lazer, or turned it on. :)
The poster was good though!
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-27-2013 5:12 PMI made a comment related to this on another thread, however i thought comment i was replying to was Necronom 4 when it was not it was someone elses post... so again SORRY Necronom 4 for getting mixed up about the only thing that could laid those Eggs was the Hammerpedes..
And even though it was meshuggah comment, again due to my computer being buggy early on, indeed meshuggah you never indicated that the Eggs could only had come from the Hammepedes you just suggested the only logical Organism that could lay Eggs would be the Hammerpedes.
As they came from Worms and Worms can reproduce Parthenogenically.
Very good point, and yes a Worm can do that, and as the Hammerpede is a Evolved Worm with the Xeno DNA or what ever that Goo is.... But while this sounds a very sound hypothesis, we also dont know for sure if the Goo that Evolved them would have rendered this ability useless, however chances are it never.
But as we know a Xeno Queen can also reproduce Parthenogenically then maybe if the Queen and Xeno are connected to that Goo then maybe this would be a trait that could be passed on to Shaws Baby and then the Deacon?
We just cant tell.....
Now what would have been interesting would have been if we saw one of the Worms get squashed before they went into the Goo and see the Worm have Acid Blood...
If we saw that, then this would had implied the Hamerpedes Acid Blood came from the Worms and not the Goo, which would have been a sure fire way to show the Worm would have been what resulted in the Xeno, and then Queen etc....
The movie does make a mess of things as we do not see any real indication that Fifield had Acid Blood.... Also Shaws Baby....
But then there is the question mark of where that Burn came from, but we can leave that to another debate as the Engineer fulls scenes and unseen show he never had it leaving the Juggernaut and also when fighting the Trillobite until after the Trillobite gets ready to Implant its Tongue down his throat..... but the Burn is there at the very start of the scene..... but disappears between those parts so i wonder did it occur from Acid from the Trillobite?
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BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-27-2013 5:34 PMAnyway its hard to rule out most things for the Xeno orgins, there are so many Clues that each has some strong points and evidence and each has some degree of evidence against the idea...
Guess we do have to go with Canon, and that the Queen can lay Eggs, but i am not sure a Queen laid those Eggs after hatching from the Engineer/Space Jockey.
Not the way they seemed to be laid out, and then how do we explain the Blue Protective Laser Field?
We cant rule out what ever came out of the Space Jockey caused the Eggs mind.... you see we could have seen a kind of Deacon or other Organism, that could have then Morphed or infected the Urns to Evolve them into Eggs...
Cant rule this one out... but cant say its the way anyway...
Depends if we are allowed to bring comments made by Ridley into the equation, if so then Ridley has said before Prometheus like years and years ago, that the Derelict was carrying a Deadly Bio Weapon Cargo.
He latter said the Pilot had got infected by one of the Cargo...
But after Prometheus he hinted that the Derelict and Juggernaught are related, a brother... and then described the Urns as Biological Drums and that maybe they Evolved on the Derelict and thats the story there...
Does this imply the Derelict had Urns that changed to Eggs? Maybe, maybe he meant that something in the Urns Evolved to Eggs..
We just cant be sure as so many things keep being said that change and contradict each other..
Noe Giger and his Mural and Concepts for Alien seem to had gave the explanation before our eyes all the time..... His concept works and Mural indicated that the Derelict Ship actually produced the Eggs itself....
No Queen, No Worm, No Morph.... the Derelict was a Living Machine that produced and Laid the Eggs.
But we can not use his work as FACT and Canon, but thats not to say that the truth could be based on his work when and if we ever do find out the Origins of the Xeno.
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meshuggah
MemberOvomorphOct-27-2013 11:40 PMhaha yeah well that's why I like the idea of the urns slowly evolving into organic eggs, when extrapolation becomes so long-winded and complex the simplest explanation seems the most likely, no matter how cool worm theory is it just seems too logical. Worms don't normally have acid for blood thus the idea of the worms simply being spliced with xeno DNA seems more likely.
And though there are two different storage chambers one can easily surmise that the stacked pillars of urns are simply the refrigerated kind, and the chamber bellow the pilot are the 'incubated' urns tuned eggs. Thus you can infer two methods of delivering the payload; by spreading it like a fertilizer or with eggs. You can easily surmise that if the goo is full of micro-organisms that they create the classic facehugger under the right temperature conditions. If you remember what Kane says in A L I E N, he says it's like the 'tropics' down there and we all know what temperature seems to do with these urns.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2013 6:51 AMThat would had been a more plausible theory had these Urns been like the ones in Star Beast, i.e if they was more leathery and Organic as opposed to Ceramic.
I do however have a theory on the Urns, they look a lot like the Ancient Light Bulb Urns in the past... i.e Ancient Batteries..
Now the Temple complex looks a lot like Gigers unused idea for the Dune Temple Mounds.. The Harkonnen Temple
If you read what his ideas was on that, then these Temples do not Terraform as they do in Prometheus, they actually took Matter and produced a Power Source from that matter...
Thus could the Urns had been used as a Power Source too?
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MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2013 7:49 AM@BigDave - When Fifield tried to cut the Worm off of Milburn, did it not spray Fifield's helmet with acid blood?
IMHO - The worms do indeed have acid blood.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2013 9:48 AMYes we do see that, but we can not say for certain is that a trait of the worms or a trait passed on due to the goo..
I would go with the latter as we see from the Goo led to Shaws Baby that was basically the closest we saw to a Face Huger that resulting in a Deacon thats the closest we saw to a Xeno.
So that Cycle is similar to the traditional which means the Goo must have passed on Xeno traits, so i assume thats the case with the Hammerpede..
Also the orginal first shooting of the Last Battle Scene the Engineer only got his burn from his attack by Shaws Baby Trillobite.
How did this happen... well without any flame, the Trillobite must have got Acid on the Engineer thus another connection with Acid and also the Xeno.
We cant rule out the Worms before they went into the Goo had Acid for Blood, but most likely thats not the case.
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MemberNeomorphOct-28-2013 9:53 AMYeah, I think the black stuff produces an acid compound in the infected creature. It may be the same compound that breaks down the DNA of whomever consumes it.
The poster was good though!