different scenerio from what happend inside the base and the juggarnaut

I wish I could connect the dots pulserifle! Was the 'outbreak' deliberate? Did the Last Engineer sabotage the base? How did the other Hologram Engineers get out of the Ampule Room & where did they go/what happened to them? Could they have had time to get out via another doorway? Perhaps they were not infected & left the planet in some of the other Juggernauts? The pile could be a different set of Engineers? Why did the other cryochambers have the tell tale signs of some form of burster, yet he survived? It points towards him being involved somehow. Or were the others placed in stasis in the hope of keeping them alive? The Head Chamber was deliberately set/sealed so that whoever came across it would set a deadly series of events in motion! My reply is useless, sorry! I always end up with more questions than answers, it's all very fascinating if rather frustrating. :-D

Show me that there was a shred of evidence of chestburster activity that is found when the Prometheus crew visit the head temple chamber and all the rest of the complex. I saw no 'confirmation' on screen that there ever was anything remotely connected to anything regarding the chestbursters, xenomorphs and all the rest of it. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be cool to see those sorts of things in Prometheus and I would welcome them if they were laced in htere but to the best of my viewing knowledge I never saw anything connected to the chest bursters except the little bit at the end and some thing implied carved on the walls or painted in the form of the murials.

@hypernova. The only evidence i saw (apart from what you mentioned) was The holes in the engineers cryo tubes. Im guessiing they were made by chestbusters.

Wow!, Pulserifle. I think you have just opened up a whole range of possibilities. I'm going to have to watch the movie again, ( like I have'nt watched it loads of times already). I'm wondering if it is possible that the juggernaut could have landed well after the outbreak. Also, even if the dead engineer that was found was 2000 yrs old, give or take. Was he part of a relief crew from the juggernaut, or part of an out break that happened well before the juggernaut arrived. There could very well be two different scenarios going on that may be separated by 2000 yrs for all we know. I need to go away and have a complete re think on this one. Nice one Pulserifle

Who knows, maybe they were in the delicate process of transporting the eggs to LV226... I dont know...what came first? Goo or the egg?? Allso if they were doing this 2000 years ago, surely their technology would be stupendous by now...Which i think means they're dead or have no ship's at their planet,or they're oblivious thinking the Engineers got the job done , otherwise we'd be goo'd. Where are the bodies from inside the ship?? Just one survivor, no alien bodies either. Maybe some other divine creature set it all up, waited for the Engineers to be dealt with, then caging the creatures born,and shipping them off..

Why are all the engineer bodies in a Pile? [img][URL=http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/SuperDamn_David/media/prometheus_hd_stills_dead_jockeys_zps3a319311.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b631/SuperDamn_David/prometheus_hd_stills_dead_jockeys_zps3a319311.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/img] Here in this image i do not see FaceHugger/ Chestburster Wounds..... I do see a few skulls blown out from the extending @nd Jaw of a XENO Also I have seen many posts where people claim to have seen face hugger/chestburster wound on the Cryo Chambers of the Engineers .....Yet there doesn't seem to be one photo showing this clearly anywhere on the entire net. If there were other engineers dead show us a screen shot. Chest burster wound show us a screen shot.

"Also I have seen many posts where people claim to have seen face hugger/chestburster wound on the Cryo Chambers of the Engineers .....Yet there doesn't seem to be one photo showing this clearly anywhere on the entire net." - I'm with you Ellen, I haven't seen any definitive images showing chest burster damage to cryotubes in the film. Can someone please post one here? I've looked through the 'images' page and I'll be damned if I can see anything remotely like holes in the other cryotubes.

First off these images were taken from my iphone of the booklet that came with my collectors edition the booklet adapted from [i]Prometheus: The Art of the Film[/i] published by titan books This first image is of the Map/Chair Room [img][URL=http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/SuperDamn_David/media/photo-2_zpsb16bbd9e.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b631/SuperDamn_David/photo-2_zpsb16bbd9e.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/img] Two interesting points the living engineer is referred to as the hero capsule and the other cryo's show mutilated dead bodies Here is a close up shot [img][URL=http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/SuperDamn_David/media/photo-3_zps56408d6d.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b631/SuperDamn_David/photo-3_zps56408d6d.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/img] Here we can clearly see it is not a chest burster wound instead I would argue it much larger than a chest burster by the damage to the rib cage. Matter of fact i'm going to argue that these wounds are from the Emergence of a Deacon from an Engineer. just like shown here [img][URL=http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/SuperDamn_David/media/photo-1_zps1ad8579e.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b631/SuperDamn_David/photo-1_zps1ad8579e.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/img]

So with that said to me it is meant to be obvious that the Engineers in the Map/Chair room were killed via deacon. The last shot in prometheus is the point head ripping the entire chest of engineer.....

@ellen Thanks for posting ellen, I like your explanation . The deacon idea sounds more feasible. I think I need to find one of those book you have.

@HyperNova The movie has a lot of ambiguity but we do see Holes in 3 of the Cryo Chambers, but then its open to interpretation could these holes be Chest Buster, could they be from something else the movie does not give us a concrete answer. The Pre-production Art Work and Story Boards seems to show indeed that the Engineers in the Cryo-Pods have holes bursting from their chest that are by some kind of explosion from inside them, and most likely Chest Buster of some kind. The Pile of Engineer Boddies is again a odd one, some may be mistake for Chest Buster Holes, and some wounds caused by some Large Alien Organism. But they could just be Holes from The Process of the Goo just causing them to explode outwards, if we take that the Goo disintegrates them like the Sacrificial Engineer he breaks down into a matter consisting of his broken down molecules and the Goo and it causes some chemical reaction. The Engineer Head when they reactivated it also appeared to have a accelerated break down and the pressure caused it to explode. I guess the Goo in the open has freedom to De-matierilise and escape but if its contained inside a suit then it may just build up with pressure and with no where to go (unlike opening scene) it eventually has to find some way of escaping pretty much like when you shake up a Cola Bottle.... Once its Shook up if you open the cap or even put a hole the liquid will explode out of it. The Biggest Problem is, well its very odd for the Engineers to just all end up in that one section and explode, the very notion they was running shows they have some Emotions and so the sight of one of them blowing up from inside would make some of them run away. So maybe someone else had to collect and pile up the bodies as thats what it looked like. The Fact that the Last Engineer was intact compared to the others in Cryo-Pods could that mean he piled the bodies up? We dont know there are so many possibilities, Maybe the Other Engineers where preparing to infect the 4 with Face Huggers or something but the one knew about it and not only foiled their plans but also caused a outbreak on purpose. We just dont know, i have always been fond of the Last Engineer Sabotage Angle, and his Emotions towards the crew before Weylands Demands and when he ordered Shaw to be silenced did appear that this Engineer was not just hell bent on our destruction, even when he finds Shaw and sees the Lifeboat he looks bemused and intrigued and their is a scene that was never shown even in extras of him, picking up a Book in Vickers Quarters with a intrigued look on his face. And then when he picked Shaw up by the throat and the other deleted scene where he has her on the floor he seems intrigued as if he wanted to kill her asp he could have easily done so, it appeared he wanted answers. Maybe this adds to his demeanor that he was not all up for destruction of mankind and tried to prevent such a thing?

This thread is very interesting to say the least! Great images as well! I do wonder if the Engineers might be able to understand human languages. If not I have no doubt they shall be able to learn it very quickly if they are as smart as they seem.

I would assume they would understand early Languages like the one David Studied that allowed him to communicate with the Engineer. So i would assume they would not understand English or indeed many other modern ones, as for started English did not start until like 500 or so years after the fall of LV 223 to that outbreak. It would be safe to assume that the Engineers taught Early Man the Proto-Indo language that David Learned and spoke a variant to the Engineer.

While i dont hope i am taking this off topic..... Whats interesting is if you look at the writing on the wall behind the piled up Engineers, and the ones on the console that David Activated to start the Engineer Ghost Scene that led them to the Ampule Room, and the writing on the Engineer Head Statue and Finally the one on the Engineers Cryo Sarcophagi they are all the same or similar and i am sure share some same characters. But The Urns have a different kind of writing on them one that is written Top to Bottom as opposed to side by side. Could this pose some answers? (yep i wait for Predator replies as it does look similar to Predator writing lol).

whether the Engineer speaks English is somewhat irrelevant to this discussion and should be its own discussion. The Door That David Opens leads to the Head room with the Murals on the ceiling. One fact of this room is that it is in complete stasis before David opens the door and perhaps for a small amount of time a few minutes or seconds as our characters enter the room. It is my opinion that this is a created stasis environment, similar to the original Alien blue light laser.... Proof of stasis is the preservation of the severed head.... the fact that the worms are in stasis before being stepped over and the Mural on the that begins to change when stasis is broken and the atmosphere is contaminated. What causes this stasis well, I am going to put my money on this: [img][URL=http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/SuperDamn_David/media/normal_prometheus-bluray-0374_zps5cee0c23.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b631/SuperDamn_David/normal_prometheus-bluray-0374_zps5cee0c23.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/img] The mysterious green stone is used to keep this chamber in stasis and creates a containment atmosphere. Engineers running from an infection to reach the containment stone makes sense to me. The door closes decapitating the engineer, only his head NOT HIS BODY is perfectly preserved, therefore his body is the resulting carcas of an infection. The body looks identical to the bodies Piled up at a similar door. The reason the engineers are piled is because the infection effects all of them equally and rapidly and there only hope is the containment stone. none of those dead at the door make it and consequently their heads explode much like the severed head that scares Vickers and the human science team, because they barely contain it before it bursts. start a new discussion for the writing and I’ll post

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Is it possible that what caused the engineers heads to explode and the black goo are two seperate things? Is it possible that it something totally different?

@Ellen Ripley's Xenomorph IPA Yeah again another theory and the thing with this movie is its so open that it leaves a massive number of possibilities. I agree the room did have some kind of different atmospheric conditions that seemed to allow things to be preserved, what kind of conditions and what caused them is open to debate. But certainly seems a sterile environment that after thousands of years as such, maybe the influx of CO2 from breathing of the crew or even just chemicals in the air of the cave that contaminated the more sterile environment of the Ampule Room certainly caused things to break down as far as Murals and Urns. As far as the Worms though, i am under the impression that they was brought into the Room from outside by the crew. As far as the Language yeah its kind of a different topic, but my point was that their appears to be two different kinds of writing as far as the Urns and the other different form of hieroglyphs that was every where else... Could it be these Urns do not belong originally to the Engineers, or like how Middle Eastern Writing Differs from Far Eastern i.e Arabic compared to Kanji etc. Which means same Race, different Cultures?

BigDave in regards to the different language (my last post regarding language in this thread). A theory for why the Urn has a different style of symbols is perhaps because they were stolen (AKA Prometheus) from other beings or they were stolen from other Engineers that use the goo to create life. If we accept the theory that there is two or more factions of Engineers then we can assume the Engineers found dead, re-engineered the goo to destroy or mutate life. Or they stole it from the Predators that used it to make Xenos...... .....lol okay you can guys can crucify me now.

In comparing engineers I have not found any writing in the film to support Two Factions of engineers, in my opinion there is evidence that supports this theory including- ships, skin, but nothing that makes it fact. another theory, engineer's in the beginning of the film could be early engineer's and the bio suits and the ship differences are result of a further evolved engineer. The point being the writing could fit this theory as well. Cuniform writing which is on the door and the head in the ampule and on the engineers cryo appears blocky and has straight edges, like cuniform tablets this is the earliest form of writing and the writing vertical down the amuples is more advanced , with curves and grooves and if you see the concept art from giger it becomes awfully clear to me that the writing on the amuple is intended to be far more advanced than the cuniform

in addition, I personally believe there are two factions of engineer. The evidence being: The Disc shaped craft used by the whites does not have an FTL propulsion system it seems to operate by some other means of physics. The derelict juggernaut clearly uses FTL propulsion. This implies two things to me: The Whites (engineers in the opening scene) are older and more advanced than the blues (engineers on LV223). That the engineers on LV223 in some way are under control of these pure engineers. This is referenced by the suits infused in their skin, in comparison the white's in the opening scene are pure, cloaked or naked with nothing infused in their skin and are more advanced this implies the suits are not beneficial.

According to the prometheus book, 'the art of the film' . The writing on the wall is actually a mixture of ancient persian and pre-sumerian middle eastern. Apparently it can be spoken too. (reference Prometheus, art of the film pg143)

[quote]The reason the engineers are piled is because the infection effects all of them equally and rapidly and there only hope is the containment stone. none of those dead at the door make it and consequently their heads explode much like the severed head that scares Vickers and the human science team, because they barely contain it before it bursts.[/quote] [b]PERFECT![/b] I don't want to boast, but that is what any spectator with a functioning brain could have easily inferred. Ridley Scott offers no expository dialogue, no flashbacks - just eerie images for us to connect the dots. I'm totally baffled by all the people who say the film is incomprehensible. It is not. It is just ambiguous and subtle.