alien deleted scenethat changed the xeno story

[i]Whether Ridley Scott likes it or not all the Alien movies are canon to each other, and because Prometheus is set in the same universe, it too is canon (we wont get into AVP this time, even tho the first movie made reference to both Weyland Industries and Weyland Corporation). Yes Ridley may have made the first movie but that is all.[/i] Behave yourself. Anyway, I would say that Brett was turning into an egg. I've always liked the idea that a lone Alien could do something like that when theres no Queen to produce eggs. Then again, the idea of no Queen existing at all is very interesting. It changes the Alien from being an animal/hive like creature to something alot more sinister in nature.

if anyone accepts the theory of an victim being transformed into an egg, contemplate the eggs on the derelict on LV426. That kinda blows my mind concidering what could of happend. Maybe the derelict was a sign of the engineers intention to earth?

If you are speaking of the theory that the eggs in the derelict Juggernauts cargo hold were once the Engineer crew, there is a glaringly obvious problem with that idea... If you watch Alien you will see that the Alien eggs are grouped together in the "troughs" of the chamber. Now imagine that area filled with Engineers in hypersleep pods as in Prometheus. Basically you would fit less sleeping engineers per trough than you would eggs. Of course one could argue that the crew of Engineers may have been elsewhere on the ship before being taken to the chamber and egg morphed. A possibility, until you look at the numbers. The crew of the Juggernaut would have had to have been in the thousands, possibly millions, to be egg-morphed into the vast number of eggs that Kane saw in the chamber, and the derelict Juggernaut just simply wasn't big enough. The Queen is a good idea, O'Bannon liked it, Giger likes it and Ridley Scott likes it. It allows the Alien to produce hundreds, if not thousands of eggs in a relatively short period time, and if accept the egg morphing method in addition to the queen idea, as mentioned in my last post (Brett - Egg - Royal Facehugger + Dallas = Queen - lots of eggs) then you have a truly perfect organism and a deadly and versatile killing machine.

My thought were that the derelict was a transport ship, and the eggs were simply cargo. I wasn't suggesting that the eggs were engineers, i was suggesting that the eggs are victims from a seeded planet, perhaps like earth. Perhaps one of the facehuggers escaped during transit and killed the 'pilot' and the derelict crashed landed on lv426. Kane said he saw thousands of eggs ( thousands of victims), i think the derelict was on its way to process its cargo . the derelict was one of many ships, probably most made to there destination

There is the possibility that the Eggs on the Derelict were engineered and not laid. Pulserilfes idea of victims from planets being harvested for eggs is a good one and would make for interesting viewing.

This point has been speculated to death by all of us, I even reversed my opinion regarding egg morphing, which I at first didn't buy, but after much discussion I now accept as part of the cannon xeno life-cycle. But we can't just disregard James Cameron and his contribution to the Alien franchise. He wrote the Aliens script and envisioned the concept of the queen. He admits on the commentary to the extended release that he didn't include HR Giger much because he wanted creative control and he had head that Giger would overload him with ideas that would conflict with where he wanted to go. But Fox did give him the rights to both write and direct Aliens so we have to respect his creative decisions, and lets face it, while he is NOT Ridley Scott - who clearly is in a class by himself, Cameron is super talented and did produce a compelling edge of your seat suspense movie. I agree that Aliens as a movie was less horror and more terror, but it is a good story line in its extended format. So to be fair to all we now must give credit to both Scott and Cameron and say that the xenomorph can go 2 directions depending upon available resources,.i.e egg morphing if solo or later on through the birth of a queen, a whole insect like nest. The alien intelligence seems to be a highly adaptive instinct genius like survivalist intelligence. This was evident when it just instinctively showed up in the escape pod - how did it know and it certainly didn't seem like a coincidence! They may have senses we know nothing about or cognitive abilities related to survival that result in the correct choice as if my conscious choice but actually through a mechanism we don't understand. In Aliens, Cameron extended this ability to being able to disrupt the electrical systems. Henderson was baffled and said 'How can they disrupt the systems, they're animals!!!' But the fact is, they did again through their hyper-developed instinctual and intuitive Alien intelligence nothing like ours. It gives them that creepy extrasensory perception through an unknown mechanism which makes them all that more formidable and frightening. I hope we can close this thread as this subject has been beat to death by now! Staff?

Before the thread is closed, I'd like to throw in my opinion that Cameron [i]was[/i] super talented. I reckon he peaked around the time of [i]Terminator 2[/i] and [i]Aliens[/i]. More recently, I can hardly bring myself to view his offerings.

@zzplural I totally agree with you. cameron's later movies are still pretty good, but he has lost something since then (aliens and terminator @nostromo1 I like what cameron add to the alien franchise particularly the movements of the aliens eg jumping from wall to wall, climbing down vertical structures which were all fantastic, except the queen. I would still rate aliens as one of my all time favourites, but i prefer a aliens universe without a queen. I think the transformation method would produce more xenos . Once a xeno had been born the victims body is tranformed into an egg...way more efficient method too

The morphing scene is very disturbing! and very 'alien' to our way of understanding how life and reproduction is meant to be. Brett does indeed look like he's being morphed into an egg and in my opinion Dallas is also being morphed into an egg, he just isn't as far gone as Brett because he was taken after Brett. Also, everyone's assuming that they're mutating into facehuggers. They might be changing into something else completely. Like a catapillar into a butterfly or a maggot into a bluebottle.

Im pretty sure that a single lone Alien not in possession of any eggs could indeed transform into a Queen if the right circumstances came to be

Hades: I agree with you. Thats how several insect species work as well. There's a variety of theories that all fit into canon, but most likley is either: 1. the xeno has the option of cocooning humans and other organisms to form eggs, then the first egg is a queen alien 2. xeno has an option of turning itself into a queen if its the only one, but might choose to bypass if egg laying conditions are not ideal (queens are large, need heat and humidity, etc, maybe on the nostromo the xeno decided it's best to wait to queen itself). in this situation, it has to turn captured prey into more numbers, so it can cocoon brett and dallas into xeno eggs or xenos themselves as drones are better able to survive the conditions on board. So a xeno can operate both ways. It's a genetic survival characteristic that plays into their unstoppable manner and lends itself two manners of reproducing.

I think there is a species of frog that can do it too, changed sexes either way to suit. hermaphrodite? would that best describe the xenos? Is there another term for it? I thought hermaphrodite was an animal with both genitalia?

Hey guys, I'm new here and also a fan of the Alien lifecycle as shown in the DC of Alien. I agree that the Queen lifecycle turns the Xeno into an animal and it loses the mystery and horror that Giger and Scott created. I disagree that both are being turned int eggs. I think Brett is transforming into an egg and Dallas is cocooned to host the hugger that will eventually form, continuing the lifecycle. I think the adult Xeno only lives for a short period of time and has a very specific mission, to recreate in this fashion before it expires.