What set of new characters, if any, may show up in 'Paradise' sequel: A rescue p

^^ @ Shambhala about the prelude.That's what I'm thinking the third movie is, some of it occurring between when the Engineers arrived and when human civilization began. Also a continuation of some of them wanting to attack us. Shaw and David would find out there's a reason the Elders are living with the monsters on Paradise. The Engineers only wanted freedom from their Elders/fathers like David. So on Paradise it's revealed the Elders are actually the ones to watch out for. The Engineers would have let some of us live and only use some of us as steps in the bio-weapon, and only as a means to an end to defeat the Elders. They're against the Elders because "doesn't everyone want to see their parents dead?". We show up and actually help some of the Elders off the planet the Engineers stranded them on. Maybe the genetics aren't from any known place and Paradise isn't necessarily the Alien home world but becomes pretty much that... and the Elders had their servants turn against them already and launch an attack that did consume their world by the time David finds and speaks with them. They try to pin it on the Engineers, which it was, and Shaw and David are left even more worried/unsure about the Engineers. There's more to the story, the Engineers were originally the servant class of the Elders. They stole all their technology and destroyed their world, which was also their own homeworld, as well destroying other worlds. And leading to the mythic destruction of the Garden of Eden on Earth. Which was a colony of Paradise... I agree and think that the Engineers only wanted to transform us and use us against the fathers/Elders. Which is almost as bad, but they have a higher purpose for doing their evil deeds like David.

There are many colonies but also can be attractive Mars.

yeah i'd like to see a scene in mars even if its ust the veiw out of a weyland corp office window

Just wanted to post this picture again. It's Great! [img]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5826/41010810.jpg[/img] This was based on another artist's work but I can't as yet remeber what his name is but it is kind of dark in tone as well as this which is perhaps what inspired it in the first place for Gigeer. It has a 'Gates of the Dead' feel about it and the murky underworld that Perseus visited in the first Clash of the Titans with Sam Worthington (remake version).

Oh! cant you find out the name of that other artist?

Yes I will hold on, i'll get back to you on that one. Incidentally, do you know the name of the Giger piece just above? I will do a search engine on that piece and the name for its direct inspiration may come up as a result, alright.

I think its called "Dark water" but cant be sure.

@Mala'kak, I'm agree, a third film can recreate the ancient past of Earth, to make reference to the Garden of Eden, Sodom and Gomorrah, Atlantis...or as in these floods to kill giants, like in the Bible and Sumerian mythology. Perhaps the slaves have much in common with David as you say ... in fact he seems to anticipate all ... for example when he says "There is nothing in the desert" sounds as if he knew that Shaw and Holloway failed to find answers...then..."and no man needs nothing" like the humanity have everything on Earth but despite this, Weyland wants more (like Adam and Eve) and because he wants immortality. I think David can identify himself with the fallen angels and create a dangerous new agenda.

Yeah it's like he already knew that LV-223 was only the start of this part of the journey, and Weyland would not find what he was looking for in a place that was so lifeless and barren like a desert. If eternal life was there it might have flourished to great numbers, and life was what Weyland needed. I'm thinking what they find is that Paradise has become a place of living death in the second movie, much like the Underworld and ideas about Hades rather than what we're expecting Paradise to be like. There are traces of the culture that once existed there but it's become overrun and basically belongs to the bioweapons now. Shaw and David didn't know this when they land, and have a rough time getting off. They're forced to work together as a team despite their differences and not knowing if they can trust the Elders. The Elders are like the Olympians, but Hades the third brother overran this Paradise. Atlanteans/Igigi/The lower classes are Engineers who rebel and wipe themselves out trough genetic meddling. The original Space Jockey are the Titans... but we only see another dead one for now in Paradise. To make matters more puzzling it's within a crashed circular craft from the first film.... To let us know these beings also once lived on this planet and something is still up. Something the Elders did changed the pilots of the round crafts from what they originally were, like what was done with the old form of the alien genetics... This would not be fully revealed until the end of the third movie. I wanna see the sunken city scene and the yacht dream scene they planned added in there with the Mars scene as part of a whole non-linear plot of the third movie. Culminating in an attack on the Earth by the Elders that the company never spoke of. that can be viewed as explaining how some of the cities end up in ruins at the end of Alien Resurrection and their motives in constantly trying to acquire the bio-weapon. The Elders are still out there. What if what we thought was the company being evil this whole time was actually them trying to sacrifice some of their assets for the greater good to protect the rest of their colonies from an even deadlier form of the fire? They're still evil but in the company's eyes they had to have a form of the bio-weapon to stand a chance against the Elders like the Engineers did. what the company doesn't know is David already sacrificed everything to give up the form of the fire they have aboard the second juggernaut. All the androids that follow and Yutani's own androids are light-years behind David, so David even makes sure most of the David's will vanish from the timeline and deals major blows to the company in the end. Helping Shaw save the Earth from what Weyland set in motion. Plus much more Young Weyland that way, if we do eventually see some of the before and after, plus an actual attack on a futuristic Earth in a theoretical third movie. But Weyland almost sees himself as a young man subconsciously in the scrapped dream scene of himself on the yacht while actually in cryo. It's wasn't supposed to be old man Weyland when he was in the dream world & David was supposed to be there with him. It was supposed to be Pearce without makeup talking to David in his own dreams, in a world his subconscious had created... Which leads to Shaw's memory of her father not being entirely real... and partially a projection of how she wants him to be remembered. This reveals Weyland's true goal and vanity... He didn't only want to live forever, he wanted the old fountain of youth and perceives himself as young in the planned dream scene... I think it could be cool to see more Pearce as young Weyland join the cast in the third movie as David finally reveals some of the things he had previously figured out about his master. And why he too was working against an Elder like Engineers, why Vickers thought he was a King, and why he hopes Shaw should really would hate her own father as well. He wanted to remain young forever and even possibly still saw himself as that young man Weyland who gave the speech all those years ago. While transforming into the monster he would become. Even Weyland may not have started out all bad and part of him wanting to stay alive is wanting to stay young physically and mentally... Vickers talks about the grace he used to have, but even his judgment is off on this mission. He ignores all the warning signs that they don't have immortality. David "trusts their cryo-chambers will impress" but Weyland isn't paying attention. David could be seeing how much he can get away at hinting, if they have cryochambers they aren't immortal. If Weyland, as an engineer himself, took the time to think of the implications he would have figured it out. That they weren't gods. David knew his mind was set on this.. he wanted to watch his father die. Some of his programming forces him to say things like this and "it wasn't the air". He has to tell the truth, but he doesn't have to flat out warn Weyland that there's only death there.

Mala'kak, my friend, the problem with long posts that address too many issues is that my attention wanders and I have to admit I wind up skipping on to another post that is more concise and focused. Please have mercy on me! I make you a promise, if you will narrow down your posts and not make multiple posts in a row then I will read them in their entirety and time permitting, respond. As to what you posted above I don't have the time to sort though all of that information to find points to respond to. Sorry. I look forward to trading ideas with you in the future. Also read my post from today which is a general statement about issues I have noticed lately or ones I have bit my tongue to avoid insulting anyone.

Im kind of hoping of something like what HyperNova said. Make it like that but with alot of ancient temples. Hopefully there will be more of an Engineer scene and actually make him some sort of figure from myth. Like Enki or Prometheus himself or at least the guy who started the whole mankind thing. Late on mankind would give him a particular name like Krishna or Vishnu maybe even Rama from Sanskrit mythology. Im hoping they will stay along the Egyptian-Sumerian-Greek theme about who these beings are.

In thinking this thread over a few charactors would need to be present. *Female Engineers *Elder Engineers *Another Earth Based ship(I don't want to see an all alien alien movie) *xeno What I would not like to see would be extensive flashbacks. I suspect this will be unavoidable in Weyland's case. To me breaks up the flow of the movie and storyline. I hope i didn't ask for too much?

For Korpen: [img]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8708/52201800.jpg[/img] The list for all of the above are as follows: 1 Isle of the Dead - BaseI version 1880 - Isola_dei_Morti_IV_(Bocklin) 2 Isle of the Dead - New York Version 1880 - ARNOLD~1 3 Isle of the Dead Third Version 1883 - Arnold_Boecklin_-_Island_of_the_Dead,_Third_Version 4 Isle of the Dead Fourth Version 1884 - ARNOLD~2 5 Isle of the Dead Fifth Version 1886 - ARNOLD~1 6 Greek Island Pondikonisi near Corfu - Pondikonissi_Island_05-06-06 7 Isle of Life - BCKLIN~1 8 Dark Water - hr_giger_hommageaboecklin [img]http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5931/97398950.jpg[/img] The work Ilse of the Dead as compared to Gigers Dark Water, see the similarities!