Those who loved Prometheus, what were some flaws that you noticed in the movie?
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MemberOvomorphDec-15-2012 10:02 PMWhat were some flaws you noticed and how would you fix it?
Even though I think Prometheus is one of best movies ever made, I think there is one flaw in it that I wish it could be corrected. It's understandable though because nothing is perfect.
The flaw I think it needs to be corrected was how Janek was so willing to sacrifice his life by crashing into the juggernaut.
Janek had a decent amount of screentime so I believe I can understand some part of his personality. Hes the captain, he was just there to finish his job and get paid. It seems like he just wanted to finish this as quick as possible and head back to earth. Its hard to imagine he would just instantly believe everything Shaw said about the Engineer heading to Earth to destroy mankind. And it's out of character for him to do something so noble, which is sacrificing his life.
At the same time, his sacrifice is what makes this character memorable as well.
What I think would fix this issue is get to know Janek's persnality a little bit more.
What do you guys think?
And to be clear, this flaw doesn't bother me that much, but its something that just seems odd.
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MemberOvomorphDec-19-2012 6:38 PMI'll have to read all posts of this thread later, so please apologize me butting in like this, but-
irt. [b]nostromo001[/b]: I'd like to propose an alternative interpretation, which basically is, 'blame Ridley'.
I have read Spaihts' script, titled "Alien: Engineers". It was a funny experience, as it seemed to have been written [i]after[/i] the deluge of complaints about incoherences and plot-holes started. But no, that was the first polished draft.
I did so at the advice of a commentator on Mark Kermode's blog. The fellow (not Kermode, the commentator) also said that Lindelof's first version, though not as coherent as Spaihts', was still better than the film. I think I'll lean towards trusting that judgement, though granted, I haven't read Lindelof's first version. And I don't much care for Lost anyway.
Point is, while it's easy to blame Lindelof- and I certainly do- there's [b]3[/b] stages that can make or break a film. Scriptwriting, Direction, Editing. And it's not just Scriptwriting's fault that we have what we have.
And what we have is delicious. Yes, I think Spaihts "A:E" is more coherent, but I prefer the film as made.
The whole point of this is lost if you keep it a secret.
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MemberOvomorphDec-20-2012 4:01 AMBLAND, so it sounds like you generally like the finished film. The Lindelof script version that a lot of us got to read before they yanked it off the web was the fifth revision. It was a great addition to the Spaihts script but still wasn't quite there. The time frame that they constructed this movie in from beginning script writing to final cinematic production using red 3D cameras was 2.5 years!! That is amazing and in the Furious Gods they documented all the steps involving the process including previsualizations. creature effects, practical set building using extended sound stages in order to physically create all the tunnels and that huge pilot chair sequence. Overall it is an astounding accomplishment and I was in awe when I saw what they went through to realize a dream visually that evolved as they continued their work. That's why I defend RS and all involved with this movie and am willing to over look the few flaws such as Melborne, but don't get me started on him!
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MemberFacehuggerDec-21-2012 5:02 AMDont get me wrong nos but my judgement was based on all the films Ridley made since matchstickmen. And I dont hate Promethues over all just parts of it - it just stunned me how great some bits were and other so awful - like watching two completely different films spliced together. I think it was the most wonderful idea that they have attempted its right up my ally its just I could see how much better it could of been with so many simple mistakes which Ridley use to spot :S . And loosing ones edge seems to happen to all directors as they get old - in fact pretty much in every walk of life - its just part of life. Not that I am saying someone cant rarely buck the trend but in general yes. I just felt a younger Ridley probably would of spotted the strange script and got one more re-write in before the film at least if not 2 and spotted strange parts such as make up looking really weird on weyland especially in his first scene and cringe worthy moments like why didn't they run left or right when it was instantly obvious the round craft was rolling forward!! And janek and the other 2 suiciding - arghhh! And fox's viral campaign - wow again amazing idea that was unbelievably messed up lol !
And yes I forced myself to get a 2nd hand copy of the blu ray just to give it every chance - must say what they attempted with the blu ray is again a very good idea and the design is very nice - the 2nd screen app is a little buggy but I am only about 30 percent the way through it all so far so need to do it all for a final final decision :P...
And yes I dont want to knock the amount of work involved thats why I almost never score a film below 4 just for pure work! The engineers are amazing everything about them - the way they act etc. - that was the biggest triumph for me.
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MemberOvomorphDec-01-2013 1:47 AMfor one, the basic premise of the movie is that the engineers created humans and left. so, how did human civilizations chronicle or even draw the engineers planets if they had left immediately after they seeded the earth?
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MemberXenomorphDec-01-2013 2:12 AMPrometheus is a neccesary process . I love the movie - its a beautiful movie . But there is just a promise that I now know will never be fulfilled. Let's go the engineer route because I am very interested to know. What the engineer greater scheme is . Are there factions. Is there indeed a superior race above the engineers. I don't think the movie flaws as nuch as it is a case deliberate misdirection,. The thing that destroys me is not knowing exactly who was behind this. Ridley or hill/giler ?
Did ridley ever at any stage had a say in what was the final outcome of alien ?
Somehow (and I can't prove this ) I just have a feeling that ridley could turn himself out p2 out of his own choice cause his heart might NOT be in it. I hope I am wrong .
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MemberDeaconDec-01-2013 6:42 AMI have no problem with Janek and his Sacrifice....
You see he had already assumed from what he saw that that place contained death in those urns, and knew this stuff killed off its creators and he also recognized the Juggernaut was a Ship.
And unless he had more reasons to doubt that ship had the bio weapons on and that it was heading to earth, then he could not risk the chance of it going to Earth.
What got me with Janek was he was shown as a good character but contradicting in a way that he did not show too much concern for the welfare of Milburn and Fifield.
As far as the movie, it has many errors and flaws and such, but they are not major as every movie has its share....
If i could changed some things then i would have used more of the deleted scenes and other scenes not even shown, and i would also had gone for the alternative Fifield that shows us more Xeno Connection.
But the biggest flaw for me was SCALE of the Engineers, i think they should have used the same trickery that Lord of the Rings and Hobit use to make 5.5ft tall actors appear 3.5ft tall.
This could easily had shown the Engineers 7ft actors as 9-10ft tall as they was supposed to be. Instead the illusion was only 7.5 (Last) to 8ft (Ghost) Tops
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MemberDeaconDec-01-2013 6:53 AM@MSD
Yes taking off the helmets was a bit silly, but then we have to assume that the equipment they had was accurate and they did say the air was cleaner than Earths, and for a risk taker like Holoway that was enough for him to do it without regards of maybe not knowing if there are any microbes in the room and what effect they could have.
But we have all and still do make mistakes especially when we are excited or intoxicated.
The burning of Crewmen is logical, they had seen evidence of a contamination and Vickers under no circumstances was not going to risk any contamination, and Holloway knew something was up with him and Sacrificed himself to Vickers so he did not run the risk of spreading any infection.
As far as the Alien Ship goes, they quickly had to make up a decision they had seen enough proof that this place was carrying Death, and that should any of that get to Earth the results could be bad.
And they could not take that risk, and had no time to consider options as the ship had no weapons and also they can not say how fast their ships can go, it would be unwise to assume that a Advanced Race vessel would take as long as Prometheus to reach Earth and Warn Earth defenses to take the Ship out...
So yes one other gripe would be that surely they would implement some defense capabilities on Prometheus, even if its just a hand full of torpedoes..
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