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ChugALug
MemberOvomorphNovember 01, 2012(sorry if this has been discussed - I did a brief scan & didn't see it)
So we're told that the Original Engineer landed on Earth, then drank his drink and sacrificed his himself in order to begin life here and human life evolved from that event.
So, at what point did the cavemen who drew the cave paintings contact the Engineers in order to be able to draw them? The only Engineer there (it seems) disintegrated & fell into a waterfall.
Plot hole?
And for what reason did they draw them? Intentionally as an "invitation" as Shaw theorized, or maybe as a warning?
Overall I LOVED this movie, I actually love how everything wasn't explained. So many movies seem to feel like they need to wrap up everything nicely in a bow. I just watched it for the first time on Vudu three nights ago and I can't think about anything else.
November 01, 2012
I think what Prometheus was trying to get across was that the Engineers would visit our planet once every 2,000 years. That's why they had cave paintings from several different generations across the globe.
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November 01, 2012
Yeah, been spoke of before but I like your thoughts on it! A lot left out on how man developed the starmaps at all. Certainly true. Mind control or dna, take your pic! I personally think dna tells the tale
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November 01, 2012
@ ChugALug
I really love your angle on this and I’m surprised that no one ( to the best of my knowledge) has really picked up on it before, myself included. The point being that to draw the paintings, that contact must have happened and what was the nature of it.
Since there are multiple pictures there must have been multiple visits. My interpretation though of the original engineer is that it did not happen on earth. So my answer is to the question of the star charts is that they are neither a warning, nor an invitation, but a marker to a point of origin, and that’s it. An argument/discussion that I don’t think anyone has raised as yet. I think the paintings are just a means of saying this is the beginnings, nothing more, but if you want to come and visit then……….
November 01, 2012
I do not see any plot hole at all. The drawings were made by cave dwellers who saw and or came in contact with various engineers. These drawings were made by different civilizations through out the early history of man kind. So naturally they were done by people from different cultures spanning thousands of years.
November 01, 2012
@ rubirosa: agreed.
Definitely not a plot hole. the implication is that the engineers visited earth multiple times throughout history...making genetic alterations along the way.
November 02, 2012
Is there anything to be made of the civilizations selected for Engineer visits?
Where they the most advanced at the time?
and..
Did the Engineers leave a bit of 'Fire' with each one,,to give an advantage for the development of their humans? I am thinking like mathmatics,,alphabet,,even fire it's self..
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November 02, 2012
"You're a naughty boy, we'll send you here!" that's what the cave paintings mean.
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November 02, 2012
@ Chris - "I think what Prometheus was trying to get across was that the Engineers would visit our planet once every 2,000 years." sounds a little AVPish
@ Rubirosa - yes, not a plot hole at all
Lindelof answered this question once and said that the engineers taught humans what is coming and where it's coming from (or something like that) and ancient men drew it down so they "can" remember it.
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November 02, 2012
Yeah I guess it's left to us to infer that return trips would have been made.
To what end though? Why return, tell us what constellation they originated from, just to come back and wipe us out? If the endgame was just to wipe us out, then what does it matter that know our creators?
Unless......
Maybe the Engineers are not all one unified group. I mean why would they be? We, their descendants, certainly aren't.
So maybe there are two groups of engineers. The original engineer at the waterfall, he wore a robe, almost monk like. The one at the end was dressed in an outfit that was very warrior like. Maybe there is a faction that intends to create, and another that aims to destroy. Maybe the original intent of planting the seeds of life wasn't the same plan that ended up (almost) playing out.
November 02, 2012
@ChugALug - There have been many discussions as to the existemce of two Engineer factions & I do agree that there may be:
1) Pale-looking sacrificial, or obedient Engineers still working for the Creators.
2) Pressure-suit-wearing disobedient/defiant Engineers looking to destroy anything & everthing.
I think the LV-223 Engineers altered their own genetic make-up with Alien DNA. They then became increasingly hateful & aggressive toward:
1) Us, their younger sibling creations.
2) Their own creators.
November 02, 2012
It might turn out that way, but I for one would find it to be a terribly dull explanation. Notions such as invitations, warnings, war, hate... these strike me as being elements of human culture. An alien race that has been seeding the Galaxy for 500 million years or more is going to think in radically different ways to us, and they may have motivations and behaviours that are beyond human comprehension. We've only seen the tiniest glimpses of their culture, and know nothing of their origins, so much remains to be revealed.
Of course, I would dearly love to know the real reasons why us humans were facing extermination, but I doubt that hate has anything to do with it. When I exterminated a wasp's nest in my house, it was just a matter of practicality. Hate never entered the picture.
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November 02, 2012
@ ZZ - Yea, I see your point. There will be some interesting points needing to be addressed by Paradise. I am left to draw my own conclusions for LV-223 until we get more information.
November 02, 2012
wasps are different to us we dont relate to them or even care they exist where as we are miniture versions of the engineers so to them are we like chldren or are they using our dna to repair their own in a similar way to how a relative would allow one of their kidneys or bone marow to be used to cure a sick family memeber?
November 02, 2012
The Deacon is a wasp to me!
Just flick him off the screen!
Deacon & Wasp have no great plans to end humanity other than hunt, kill, eat, sleep.
It is just their instinctual behavior.
The evil of the Engineers is more sinister & harder for humans to fathom!
November 02, 2012
@katiel238:
We really have no idea how we truly relate to the Engineers. You might be tempted to think that we are their cherished creations who draw lovely pictures of their benefactors on cave walls. But you'd be thinking like a human. Although we share some of their DNA, they are not human. They are alien.
They are far too advanced to use us for the purpose of harvesting body parts. You are thinking like a twenty-first century human. Problems like organ replacement would have been solved by them hundreds of millions of years ago, without messing about with the likes of us for that purpose.
We may simply be an experiment. One of countless experiments that they have conducted. Almost all doomed to failure. What are they truly trying to create in their experiments? And why? We need to know a lot more about their culture to answer these questions.
@Cerulean Blue:
'Evil' is a tricky one, because what is evil to us may be nothing of the sort to them. Try asking David to define morality, let alone an Engineer, and you run into trouble.
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November 02, 2012
"We may simply be an experiment." yup but why then did he seem so angry? he wasnt acting too clinical there wasnt the emotional detachment youd expect if that was the case, no he (the last engineer) was defo narked
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November 02, 2012
You'd perhaps be narked if your guinea pigs started gnawing through the mains cables, causing major problems. I don't know if that's an appropriate word to use or not in respect of the hibernating Engineer, because I don't know enough about alien psychology. There are so many possibilities. He might be a member of a warrior caste that reacts instinctively, for example. We don't know.
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November 02, 2012
Definitely not a plot hole and probably it is not very important in the sequel but I still wonder What is the purpose of the maps? are a trap? a warning?...besides we have two different fractions in the same race of Engineers, so...
November 03, 2012
There is no human life on earth; until after the sacarifice of the Engineer. I'm really finding your thoughts and ideas interesting. I believe in the idea of genetics and DNA in stranded into the earths Eco system; and human beings evolving from. Hence the creators of the human race. Very Interesting.
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November 14, 2012
@ZZplural "You'd perhaps be narked if your guinea pigs started gnawing through the mains cables, causing major problems." :O i would not lol.... not AT the guinea pigs.... maybe whoever let em out (bloody freshers) so maybe two factions divided over whether we should be allowed/trusted with the freedom of the galaxy? would be nice to see some friendly engineers in 'paradise'
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