A Robot God?

Lol, when I read your Thread title I knew you'd throw in the Matrix. ahah.

Haha. I didn't want to resort to using the Matrix to try and explain what i mean. But needs must!

you know, your idea is quite good, but has been done already - Matrix.

Haha. David1, so as the Black Stuff in the X Files Movie! This theory would mean that we are not just the Fathers but also the Sons. Mmm, i think that was in the Superman Remake lol. But it would also make sense that the Engineers weapon is a Bio Weapon, that cannot Harm the Androids? They are probably created (by the Androids) with only the knowledge to create Bio Weapons so they cannot Harm their Masters?

Well i am going to have a crack at this.... A yet unseen race created the Elders to be their gardeners, who then created the Engineers in their image (Elders) or the Elders are just much much older Engineers. The Elders then sacrifice a Engineer to create and seed life... Fast Forwards and these Engineers go back maybe with permission or order of the Elders to create a new race (upgrade) on Earth in their image again for similar purpose of the Engineers as a work force. Now either we was created without the top hierarchy on the Home Worlds Knowledge or maybe that was their plan but the Engineers got jealous of us. Either way a War broke out between some Engineer/Elder Factions and the Homeworld and thats where the Xeno comes in as a Weapon. And then the Engineers also wanted us destroyed. Not sure of the full story but i think the principle is this order of things. 1) Some unseen yet Race/Being. 2) The Elders. 3) Engineers and Humans. I think when all is said and done Ridleys tale will fit in elements of the Titans of Greek Mythology and Anunaki and that some links to Christ may be made as a ambassador hybrid.

Yeah, i think the "Elders" are older Engineers who, have not past certain tests or are lacking somethin that is required to become the Prince or King, who lives for 1 year as a Prince or King and then is Sacrificed to spread his Superior Seed? Maybe? Thats what i'm assuming, at the moment. But, the Elders were created by Artificial life, in the last time cycle! Maybe!

Let me see if I'm on the right lines. David got his head removed because it was viewed as sacrilege. This might seem something of a jump, but I'm just cutting to the chase.

If you found out that you had been created by a Robot, wouldn't you be Angry? Like i said in my Original Comment, there is a reaccuring theme 'WE WANT OUR PARENTS TO DIE'. The Engineer Strokes Davids head before he rips it off his body. That to me, showed affection! Then Hate! BTW i'm not saying that David is THAT perticular Engineers Creator. What i'm trying to say, is, David reminds the Engineer of his Creator? Maybe!

The Eternal Reaccurance of the Same, doesn't mean, Big Bang, Life, Big Crush, then Big Bang again! In the 'Thus Spake Zarathustra' thingy, the "Eternal Reaccurance of the Same" means, Our Time. When we go, maybe extinct, that will be the End of Time! BUT, the show must go on! But on another Planet, somewhere else in the Universe! *Smiley*

Since androids do not occur naturally, what created the "robot god"?

You know what really sucks about all this... if I write something using the engineers and their history, it will be all wrong when the damn movie comes and some a-hole of a screenwriter takes the whole thing into a Hollywood cluster F just for box-office receipts. You know I am gong ahead with the damn thing and send it in to those weasels and see what happens... Oh I know what they will say... OMG that's a great idea you have there, but it would be too expensive to put on the screen. Yeah or they may just laugh for awhile and throw it on the ever growing piles of FanFic that they have received thus far. This is why I hate trying to write something fun for a in-limbo film series... it's all speculation and theorizing at this point, even if you have a wonderful idea on how to present the elders and their history... in the end you will get it wrong... dead damn wrong. What should I do? Yes that is a question for all that read this rant, and yes I have written some things and posted them here on this wonderful forum. Yours Truly Cruelly tormented and disemboweled patch

Well, look at the direction Lindelof took us, what with the humanoid Engineers. 33 years ago, we never saw [u]that[/u] coming...

@Herc, your right... It's damn frustrating... I know they will mess it up... so this wait will be the longest foreplay in human kind's history for the Sci Fi fans the world over. The engineers worked out fine (Ridley's idea - Lindelof clumsy logic).

That said, forge on. I've been working on a sequel to [i]Prometheus[/i] since its release and I have no intention of backing down. My user name is indicative of my arrogance and drive to complete this task. ;)

@Hercules. I thought i spelled it out, but i'm often not that Articulate in my comments. So... The beginning of our current Time Cycle... Engineers create us.. We Evolve into what we are today... We eventually create Androids... We eventually become extinct... The Androids take over and want to create! Their old Masters Maybe? But in a more superior form and more obeediant(sic). They get their new creations to PLAY god on their behalf?... They go off to other Planets to spread that seed?... This occures, time and Time again... The 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' thingy must have some relivence(sic)? 'Man is just a Bridge'? A Bridge to what? God? Have you noticed how Ridley puts so much importance on his Androids? He thinks they are like Gods. I'm sure of it!..

So, the robots were not the first entities? That seems so...[i]un[/i]godlike. Plus, [i]playing[/i] God isn't the same as [i]being[/i] God. ;)

@Herc. I'm not thinking of God in terms of 'the Spirit in the Sky' and going off the Thus Spake Zarathustra, thingy, that implies that we MAKE our own Gods! With this Theory, time goes in a Cycle. It doesn't mean that EVERYTHING as to happen on Earth! If we became Extinct, who or what would carry on the Eternal Cycle? I'm just going off Hints and Clues! We have to read the signs. I don't know how to Articulate it better! I'm not the sharpest knife in the Drawer *Smiley*

@Patch. I've just realised...We need the Novelisation! Novelisation Now!

Patch, big head reminded me of the FACE OF BOE from Dr WHo. :)

@Nec4... *looks tired and irritable* Hell Yes WE NEED THE DAMN NOVELIZATION!

LOL :D

@ Sky. Can you elaborate on that? *smiley*

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IMO the engineers are far to be the high species that Ridley wants us to believe in. They are just laborers, for other encounter types. Maybe they have been the Elite for a very long time, but now, they are over classed by something else. Maybe the own Engineer creation, or maybe juste the Engineer creator. Who know ! Keep in mind that no one came to LV 223 to help or clear the place since 2000 years. No one will go to LV 426 to see about. The Engineers are important, but expendable. Sacrificiable even to create life. So, one of the upper classes of the "cosmos" could be one kind of robot, but please don't see robot of our little human point of view. And remember who are the leading artists who gave inspiration to Scott !

So God created us, we created David, David created the engineers+the black goo and a small group of engineers stole it from David to give it to us! But before they took off, a squad of David's troops landed on LV-223 and killed most of them. Or in the distant future, David wanted his parents dead and after creating the engineers (because he could) he gave them an order to wipe out humans from the face of the Earth, but something happened and killed them before leaving LV-223, maybe he changed his mind. It also seems that the black goo makes lifeforms adaptable to all planet conditions, the storm on LV-223 was said that it contained silicon, aliens had silicon saliva too! The urns in the temple seem that they are placed in a somehow "offering" way to the head totem! Maybe David became a leader of an intelligent species with parallel evolution to us. But of course in the future!

@Geopap. No, David didn't create the Engineers. I'm saying that maybe, in the distant future, David and Ash' kind (Androids) will create another race of Engineers from DNA that they have in their collection, which they collected along time back (in 2094 or a bit later?). This as happened before, in the last cycle of the Eternal Reaccurence, and it will happen again and again and again etc etc. The Engineers in Prometheus were from the last part of the Eternal Cycle and they were created by androids from somewhere else a very, very long time ago. THE END.

If robots take the lead in the distant future, then watching the official trailer again I would say that the engineers maybe were unaware that their creator was a robot and they were searching for him too, at the moment when the engineer of the first scene drinks the potion, we listen to Vickers say "a king has his reign and then he dies", was the first engineer searching for immortality too? Did he think that the black goo would give him immortality just like Weyland did when he met the engineer, but both made a terrible mistake and committed sacrilege to the universal laws? In ancient Greece there was a myth about Sisyphus who was perceived as the most cunning man of humanity, he tricked Hades (death), left his kingdom and walked the Earth as a living man again. For his sacrilege, the gods punished him to the endless roll of a big stone! Also from ancient myths we know that people of these times, perceived their gods as immortal and wise, David meets these two specifications too. Maybe the engineers were heading to Earth, because somehow learned that David robot series were originated from there and wanted to offer to their "creator" the liquid (if a robot created it) inside the urns as an offering. I will repeat once again that the way the urns are positioned in the temple, reminds us of an offering to a god-totem deity.

Could it be that the surviving engineer was infected with the black stuff in some way that he still lived but it made him act destructive?

Well, as I see the ideas here are sound...indeed David is hiding something but that might be as simple as obeying/following programming from Mr. Weyland, but the idea here is good. If we remember Bishop, he admired the Xeno for its logical approach to life and survival, a tendency we might be seen on David. Who knows what he found on the Juggernaut data base...as he seemed to have crackeld it quite well. Following the concept here, I see something more akin to Hyperion books, where we saw the efforts from the Datacore to wipe out humans, using Time Tombs and the Shrike figure could be the Xenos, spreading terror and death. THen not Matrix but Hyperion would be more akin to what goes on Prometheus... We might found out that the head at the base/weapon's depot/temple is David's head depicted by its creations from the future? The idea is not bad, but then again sequels are tricky...and even good ones can destroy an original plot (Aliens introduced all that bulshit of mutating xenos and Queens...none of that is part of the original Alien concept...read the book and watch Alien Director's Cut and you will see. Xenos are killing biomachines, and completely autonomous, showing a real lethal bioweapon and not some arcane demon of sorts). The original message fround by Weyland Company as translated by Bishop - book - was a clear warning to never land on that Moon and Weyland sent the Nostromo to especifically get one of them infected and bring a xeno to its weapon's division, so the message also explained what was there...no ifs here, and if Ridley's idea was to rescue the franchise he should/must get back to what it as meant to be and erase all after Alien. Prometheus gives this chance and this idea of a Robot God is interesting... Concepts also seen in Dune, as we saw in the final books what was behind all the conflicts in human history post First Space Age (Robots) And I would like to see something like Hyperion again, where a faction of this Robots was benign and trying to help...

That's right @Voidhawk. I still stand by this theory! I think prometheus is so complicated because it has something to do with the cycle of time and the universe. It can't be spelled out to us because that would be cheesy! BTW where is Voidhawk?