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Prometheus 2 - did we all just die of apathy?

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...is that it? Has the Lindelof-penny dropped i.e. has the Paradise-bubble burst on any satisfactory resolution to the LITERAL SHEDLOAD of 'loose ends', 'false promises' and 'intentional obfuscation' in Prometheus? Are we all broken by the incongruity, the hopelessness, the (even) apathy?
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Forgive the long posts, this theory is a complicated aspect of the movie for me. I try to pepper in my own theories so I can get away with saying too much like David does. The marketing campaign itself through it's use of misdirection was exemplifying David's use of double-speak. In a way I think Prometheus is one of the best movies ever made because of the way it speaks to societal problems regarding hegemony through some of it's layers and hidden themes. At the same time it can speak about many things other things and lead to multiple interpretations of the ambiguous evidence that we're presented with. It's about knowledge and belief and how things can appear to be one way, based on the evidence, but we could be completely wrong. If all goes well there is no doubt in my mind that Paradise, and possibly retroactively Prometheus, will be considered the greatest sci-fi movie(s) of all time. And the ballsiest moves of all time that Hollywood has ever witnessed. Purposely setting out to disturb some audience members who want straight forward answers with part one. Falling short of some expectations on purpose, setting new expectations, and then blowing the audiences minds with what's in store for the "director's cut" and Paradise. Truly playing around with expectations and making the film into a statement that works on so many levels. Yutani could be monitoring all the transmissions related to Project Prometheus and the mission; they also might might figure out the truth behind some of the individuals' words i.e. the quiet eye technology that can read people in multiple ways. The relaunched version of Prometheus (extended version) would be released long after the relaunching begins, but the virals and new games/pieces of the puzzle make investors bigger parts of the company, continuing the viral campaign with hints towards the sequel and unseen events that occurred in Prometheus. Leading all the way up until the relaunched edition is released on blu-ray. Then continuing until it gets put in theaters (if popularity warrants it), and building up to the sequel and finale in a big way. They still need time to make part 2 and something needs to fill that gap. They may have some footage ready to be used for Paradise, and much leftover from Prometheus, but I'm pretty sure they won't surprise us with a whole film. Well not with part 2.. I don't actually know the following point and if I find out I'm gonna shut up about it, but what they could be doing is gearing up to shoot part 3 in secret at the same time as part 2 while this relaunching goes on and brings us to the blu-ray and theatrical release of the relaunched edition, because of this idea that there is a whole secret film. When really it's only about a third of a film and a third of another they're hiding... Perhaps it was originally their intention to film the second part at the same time before studio politics and other variables came into the picture. Some reasons could be obvious for why they never finished all the planning stages for part 2, and some things point to why they decided to do one movie for now while coverin up the fact that it still had to do with aliens and follows much of the original script minus face-huggers etc. And that they filmed only a portion of the sequel along with a lot of what was intended to be a longer movie that contained remnants of the original two parter. Some remnants that were filmed, or planned to be filmed, for the hell of it just in case there was a sequel, but were then dropped or left on the cutting room floor. Somewhere early in this process the idea to play with people's expectations and then provide the opposite of what people expect "we were so wrong" of an ambiguous presentation developed, along with the idea to retroactively change people's beliefs about the film. This happens once to Shaw in the film, she accepts the new evidence that they are us but then pushes on with her beliefs which are quite logical at the same time: if they're us than what created them? Changing people's theories, beliefs, and perspectives on the movie and the sequel(s) in general retroactively as new evidence amasses like any good science. We can't make completely definitive statements at this point, and even my statements are based on my knowledge and belief about things + belief that things are still following the same plans, more or less. It's like Lindelof's statement about a Rolling Stones concert and the song "Satisfaction". When you go to a Stones concert you wanna see all the great old hits "Sympathy" 'Paint it black" "Satisfaction" etc, but some bands like to fill the show with a lot of their newer songs. People don't always get into the new songs as much so as the artist it's safer to put a few recognizable songs in the main show. Bands need to take new directions and experiment and try to showcase their new material at the same time as playing some of the oldies. However, the place where you really wanna place all of your biggest and best songs is at the end of the concert... or in the "ENCORE". To go out with a bang, and provide a good experience overall for the audience. It may even make people appreciate the newer songs more if the old songs are played at the correct times to enhance the overall concert. Sometimes things are planned out a certain way beforehand, and certain songs are saved until the end. And sometimes last minute line-up changes are made to maximize the effectiveness of each line-up. Sometimes a little bit of both happens. If Prometheus is the main show, the extended edition will be the start of an Encore that goes on longer than the main show and will sound similar to what they were just playing: the new songs. But will then ultimately provide "Satisfaction" in the form of songs that are more recognizable for people who wanted to see a little more of the deacon/alien genetics. At the same time weaving in some of their best new songs. That's why some weren't thrilled by the main show so far (I personally was): they weren't playing their best songs yet on purpose. Sometimes encores are planned out way ahead of time. They have to be to get everything right, to practice the harder songs etc. They are not a spontaneous thing. It's all part of the show: an illusion that they've walked off the stage designed to influence the crowd into going even more crazy when they walk back out and play their best songs. Plus more work will sometimes actually go into them for some of these big rock artists, because they decide to put very complicated songs there that they may be out of practice on. Even deciding on songs you could potentially play that are a little easier to pull off. Like when Paul Mcartney recently got in trouble at a concert for going 2+ hours over what was supposed to be the end of the encore, because they loosely planned out some of the stuff they could keep playing, rehearsed a lot of those songs, and played all of them. They chose to introduce us to the Engineers in a more personal way to make a hybrid film out of the original script and some of the ideas from what would have been part 2. Likewise, the emphasis on the aliens that was in the original spaight's script has been shuffled to the next films. When they did that I believe the script changed and they also increased the complexity of the concepts about making the wrong assumptions based on belief and misinterpreting the evidence: how appearances can be deceiving, or hold multiple meanings. That brings up the possibility I've been discussing about them cutting out a good third of the movie purposely to be reinserted at a later date (before the sequel), because it was too connected to the rewritten version of part 2, and they realized it relatively last minute. It starts to hint too heavily at part 2, which would have been fine if they were still sure about how to proceed or if they had all of the second movie to release soon after. Instead the choice was made to cut the movie down as certain scenes were still being filmed. The David hiding his inner desires and having connections to a technological representation of the subconscious thread already existed, so the idea became to weave it into the existing structure and revelations, and make the movie more of a mystery in the process. Adding to the decision to take elements from Paradise and saved elements from Prometheus to make an almost Prometheus 1.5 Now that the film proved a relative success and a sequel is rolling along they can continue on schedule for the most part to pick and choose how to use that cut footage, revealing things bit by bit, most of which we'll see. But see again in a vastly different extended version of the movie that won't be a reassembly. More like a planned retelling that ties into the David lying aspect, that basically implies Prometheus was all part of David's trick, and a transmission to the audience that was misconstrued because there wasn't enough info, and the android was being ambiguous about what he saw in the ambiguous evidence, like a Rorschach test that reveals the inner feelings, beliefs and drives of David. The movie had to have some of the alien elements taken out and was injected with other ideas and seeds for the ideas to come. It became a hybrid. A prequel and not a prequel, because it occurs before Alien in the timeline, but that wasn't LV-426 or a direct link to Alien. They made it a hybrid of ideas because of where the story eventually needed to go and the fact that they knew they would have to wait and see how this movie did because the sequel wasn't going to be coming as soon as they originally hoped. This brought about the viral campaign that had to be built to last. They had to have a mixture of both elements, the engineer and xeno DNA, but led us to believe the movie had little to do with Aliens. The filmmakers were telling the truth and lying at the same time like David has found a way to do... which tells you how much this has been planned out. A lot of things in this movie are a mixture or a hybrid... even Shaw's mixture of faith and science, knowledge and belief, exemplifies this. Certain things were cut to make the movie and the sequel even more of a mystery because now there was a possibility of a third after the rewrite by Lindelof. At the same time the alien elements were kept but shuffled mainly to the "encore" (1.5), the sequel, and the third movie. Things were also altered ever so slightly to cover things up, to tie into David's motives, and some of the other alternate scenes are more like the original scenes that became the alternates because David is hiding things or has an incomplete picture.. They made the movie more ambiguous and purposely misleading. Misleading us into thinking it was not an alien movie, when it is and it isn't. A hybrid sort of movie that starts a parallel story very much concerned with aliens, that can be interpreted multiple ways, and doesn't directly answer many questions until the end, while simultaneously adding even more mysteries to weave towards on ending point. They, like David in the film, know where this story is going and indeed were making a statement by saying big things have small beginnings. They purposely made Prometheus a smaller movie to enhance the mystery, and the shock value around what happens next. Because more time will pass between it and the sequel now. Ridley doesn't mind, he knows his visual clues will eventually give things away retroactively anyway, even without things being reinserted or altered. But this also led to the idea of making an almost Prometheus 1.5 when they're ready to spell out some more of the clues through some of the cut material and virals leading up to it being reinserted. Originally the second part of spaight's story may have disposed of the alien elements entirely... part one would have dealt with that, and part 2 would have moved into Engineer territory for good. Ridley made the smart move by making this a parallel- hybrid series all the way through. He didn't mind that this trick hurt his image for now, and Fox understands this too. There was also a lot more to Prometheus originally. What became a three hour+ movie after the rewrite had to be cut down in a semi-coherent way for now because plans fell through while attempting to film the second movie in secret. At that point a lot was also changed. Of course you won't hear that from anyone directly attached to the company because they're all involved in misdirection like David is. Things were shuffled. Some things originally intended for Prometheus could appear in Paradise, and the opposite also happened. Ridley didn't mind because luckily what they seem to have done plays into the themes of the movie. Some clues will be in the original draft of Spaight's script so make sure to read it. Of course they won't release the original script for the second part.. Basically effects are in place now and Paradise will be easy to complete, so they can do almost the same thing and film the third part as the second is completed. What I believe they've done is a massive rearranging of the original scripts and concepts. Basically, in my view they took two movies and made 2.5 out of them after rewriting... a full story that would have been about 6+ hours of movie time, before some of the new ideas gave them inspiration for a possible third. This is why they split the movies after the rewrite. Too much new material about the Engineers came in and they originally wanted to make the first part a little more about the aliens; although I've read the Engineers were always ancient humanoid aliens in Spaight's version and Lindelof just chose to put the focus on the Engineers instead of the aliens in this first movie. So what happened was a switcheroo (Lindelof himself hints at this) and the Aliens were and still are intended to be a big part of the franchise. The Engineers became the focus of the first movie and the alien genetics becomes the focus of the second part. The Aliens and Jockeys have switched places as the central focus of the first and second movies but the whole series is about both groups (among others). Which was what Ridley wanted, something new and old at the same time. Ridley and Spaights are the ones who made the Jockey a suit and the wearers ancient astronauts. Lindelof saw this as a retcon at first, but says he eventually warmed up to the idea. Perhaps Lindelof, as a fan, couldn't fully commit to not having something else wear the suits somewhere further down the story. And this changed things a little. Perhaps Ridley and Lindelof found a way to get the best of both worlds in a number of areas, but it required certain sacrifices in Prometheus and a great deal of misdirection. Misdirection that is not entirely pointless because it tied into where the story was going and some of the themes. However, I'm pretty sure this is what added too much material and ideas to the story, originally scared Fox away from paying for the sequel (which only added to Ridley's drive towards the 1.5), and added about an hour to each movie and the possibility of a third. Some of the ideas from part 2 had to be reworked into Prometheus to make it work as a standalone(albeit one with a cliffhanger), while things were saved that were beginning to be shot for Paradise to be used and combined with the scenes that were left out. The relaunched edition was Ridley's safeguard to make sure he'd at least get to finish telling the story to Prometheus and not leave some of the questions dangling too long. Leaving it a mystery as he did probably actually generated more interest in a sequel, and so as intended the great thing about the extended edition that it is "a bridge and not an end" (what I've been referring to as the relaunched edition a & Prometheus 1.5). Even the steps in the plan, and things that will occur in the future, can be compared to themes in the movie and stuff coming out of the virals that is being seeded to make more sense later, like Weyland's obsession with the match trick. Once everything started being planned more thoroughly and production started they realized what might need to be done with part one. They were already on the path since it became Prometheus. The trick was not minding that misleading us with part one hurt ticket sales a little bit when some expectations weren't met, and even cutting it up to preserve the flow of everything after may be justified in the name of something bigger. The acting is something I'll have to let the deleted/alternate scenes explain until the proper extended edition comes out. Suffice it to say that humans in this time are more like emotionless robots except for Shaw and Holloway. That's not so much David's perspective as simply how things are, but flavors/is flavored by it. At this point Weyland has handed humanity everything and is almost king of Earth and other colonies (over 9 000 000 ppl in some colonies) Others are egoists like Holloway and Weyland who once again think that humans should be the center of the universe. I think a lot was cut to be reinserted later because it will significantly change the movie along with things that were specifically shot and then saved to change the movie retroactively. The initial relaunching is most likely a very significant viral that's a promise of what's to come, in a way.

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