Question about info on this site

I don't know, I am not 100% sure about everything written on the site you linked. It seems to be taken from the Comics. I would only go by what Ridley Scott says on the subject for now.

Thanks Svanya I guess we can accept RS statement that the engineers were at war. ( BTW If RS weren't in favour of the idea of a queen then why were the eggs called eggs ?) Then whoever they were at war with must have a head that can be facehugged. They must also not be as strong as an engineer. An engineer would ne more than capable of preventing a facehugger of impregnating him. So they were at war with some lesser species that has a head and is smaller than the engineers. The space jockey must have been impregnated while in stasis ? Otherwise it would have been able to stop being impregnated. Would the single xenomorph have been able to breathe in lv 426's. Atmosphere after chestbursting ? We then know thAt the engineers created the eggs and put them on the ship. Is my reasoning sound ?

@oduodu...Kinda off topic but since Promethus I've thought that the Engineer in Alien was infected in stasis like you said. Like the stasis pods we see in the Jugg in the film. They have obviously been chest bursted by something other than what had infected the other engineers on LV-223 which caused their heads to explode. Scott and Lindeloff have already said that you can extrapolate how the engineer in Alien arrived there by watching Prometheus, paying attention and putting the pieces together. I believe what they were getting at is that the Alien Engineer was infected in stasis, woke up, possibly unaware of the infection, and started up one of the other Juggs and headed to earth to finish what they started. Therefore the eggs were meant for us all along. BTW, as far as Scott's canon, I'm sure you probably know that the eggs were broken down human victims of the xeno. Eggs don't really have to be laid do they? Maybe eggs on earth are all laid by something but if an alien takes another spieces and breakes them down to form something which hatches one of their own I would consider that an "egg." This is how the "canon" question gets so mucked up. Scott cut that from the film. Does he still consider that canon or what? Personally, I try to stick exclusively to the things that Scott injected no matter if it was cut or not. That's all that matters imo. We seriously need a book with Scott's approval that tells us what is canon and what isn't in regards to the Alien Franchise and Prometheus.

The Pilot in the original may have been heading to Earth to wipe someone's kingdom out at that time. But not ours... I'm thinking some of the others that were deployed at that time may have actually completed their mission at some point in the ancient past. Ridley even said the derelict may have been there for more than a million years. A lot of the information on that site is just speculation and stuff from the comics. Albeit a good source of information on them pre-prometheus. I think it may be incorrect to group them together yet at this point... even though Scott and Lindelof have gone to great lengths to mislead us about their true identity, and their true identity in the myths. I think the eggs still would have worked fine against the Engineer class. Yeah they're bigger and tougher than us but a hugger could probably still hug them if they subdue one and sacrifice him. Or they sacrifice an elder who are actually the god class, while the Titans are the Mala'kak. And the engineers are actually more like demi-gods (mixture of god and man) and the Atlanteans. The first humans who precede us in the myths but wielded genetic meddling technology and had a connection to the gods on Olympus. They were creating mermaids and other hybrid monsters. They were not said to be mermaids, that's the disney version. They were actually said to have created mermaids and monsters. And were also said to be a tall race of men. Herakles himself, as a demi-god, was said to be 3 cubits (15metres!!!) tall. Atlanteans were said to be less tall, but still taller than the humans who would come later. They were from an island in the ocean and were said to once exist in a paradise kingdom of great technology. They were given vast amounts of knowledge and technological gifts, but they abused them. So they either destroyed themselves or were punished from above by those in charge while the Elder king at the time responded by launching a war with his Engineer colony against the Elders and the Mala'kak in the heavens who were at the top of the hierarchy at that time. Like Lucifer and his fallen angels. But in this version it's mixed with the greek titanomachy and Prometheus themes, so eventually the Mala'kaks had all their technology stolen or lost. First when they gave it to the Atlanteans/Engineers, and then when the Mala'kak were overthrown by the god class/ an evil Atlantean King/Engineer Elder during the greek Titanomachy (God/zeus class and Poseidon the Atlantean god-king) Then Prometheus is one of the last Mala'kak around the earth. He attempts to steal some technology from the Elder class who are now warped, more warlike and now totally in charge. He gives it to the humans because he thought we should be like the Atlanteans. However Zeus is pissed because the few Atlanteans that survived after the king and civilization died are mad at the Elders for leading them to further destruction in the war against the mala'kak/the Titans/the real space jockey... So Prometheus is punished. The human classes can't be allowed to have the fire ever again or they'll turn out like the surviving Atlanteans who left the Earth aka the Engineer we met in the movie who had gills on his suit. In some versions of the story zeus also directly punishes humans by causing a massive flood to take away the fire. The snake race, the atlanteans/engineers had returned to the garden before Paradise was completely destroyed and tried to give us more knowledge, but were once again washed out of the garden and off of Earth. While we got to live on Earth. but the garden the Atlanteans had left for us was destroyed. only to be spoken of in myths. Then the serpents who had sprouted wings to avoid the flood kept returning from the skies... Unlike Prometheus the engineers are only trying to lead us to the light by deceiving us at the same time, because they want us for their war against the other groups. They're more like Lucifer and the fallen angels. while the true gods and possibly the original good elders are more like Prometheus, creating us and then trying to give us the fire the atlanteans/earlier Engineers who kept visiting us abused... The Elders and the Engineers pushed themselves further out into space as they broke into a three-way war where each side had the fire. and each side eventually believed the Mala'kak were all gone until what happened to Earth happened to the new home world Shaw and David will visit. What David realized by cross-analyzing all the myths and deconstructing the language beforehand is he may need to unite the split factions of the Engineers against the greater Empire. Prometheus was just practice for him to be like Lawrence of Arabia in space and he had to let Weyland keep believing they were gods and deceive the entire crew through ambiguous statements. I don't think he even told Weyland, after waking him, that people were already thinking they weren't gods. The engineers worship the true gods as much as they worship themselves as gods and a past king or head of their civilization who challenged the gods, killing some of the creators and kings. They still wear the true gods' bio-suits, inherited the fire before it was forbidden to be shared with humans, and emulate the ways of the true gods by punishing worlds as they see fit. They've organized their culture around the stolen technology, worship/fear the pure form of the fire when used as a weapon (as Zeus worried about humans) and also pay some respects to the Mala'kak group by emulating them and using their technology to continue portraying themselves as gods. They've been in a war with the surviving Elders for millions of years ever since the warlike Atlanteans disappeared from the myths on Earth and the fire was further hybridized and weaponized. We're dealing with a more aquatic strain of the fire that is now unable to eventually be extinguished in the ocean when the true gods attempt to punish their paradise worlds by flooding them to destroy all traces of the bioweapon and civilizations. http://screenrant.com/prometheus-cast-crew-themes-interviews-sandy-163243/all/1/ “It’s about the beginning of life and the eternal ‘what if’.’ Has this ball we’ve been sitting on right now been around for three billion years or one billion? And if we haven’t been pre-visited (by alien civilisations), then what was this planet doing for all that time before life came along? It’s only our arrogance that says, ‘No, it’s impossible, we’re the first ones.’ Are we the first hominids? I really, really, really doubt it. In recent memory or legend we keep talking about wonderful, weird things such as Atlantis – what is that? Where does that come from? Is that real, was it real, is it a memory, did it exist? And if that did exist, did it exist three quarters of a billion years ago? There’d be nothing left now. How was that created and who was it?” -Ridley Scott

Quote=Mala'kak..."[i]Ridley even said the derelict may have been there for more than a million years."[/i] He did say that but as you know it was never mentioned in the film. Plus, he said that before Prometheus came about. I haven't read everything but I haven't read anything recently where he reassures that the derelict was that old in regards to Prometheus. In Prometheus the dead Engineers look exactly like the one in Alien and they are only 2000 years old. Seems reasonable that Scott may have changed his mind about how old the SJ was at the time of it's discovery. It's obvious that a lot of people can't seem to open their minds about canon but I feel they should open their minds as far as what was explained about the film in interviews and documentaries which were made way before Prometheus was conceved. Reminds me of the debate that went on before Prometheus was released about the size of the Engineer compared to the cockpit in the trailer. Many people thought it was not an engineer due to the fact that the size wasn't the same. The cockpit seemed bigger and the engineer smaller. I always equated it to simple design changes which it seems is the case. I realize that maybe the ship is different or maybe the engineer in Alien is larger than the ones in Prometheus but, to me, it seems very unlikely. ***EDIT*** Just a heads up that I refer to the engineer in Alien as "SJ" to differentiate from the other engineers I read the rest of your post and it's very interesting. I now understand what you were saying about the SJ from Alien heading to earth but not to destroy humankind but another race or species that pre-dated primates alltogether. You seem to imply that the beings who inhabited earth before us are the Engineers. If that's the case do you think that the SJ was headed to earth to destroy his own kind? If the engineers did, in fact, inhabit earth, why did they leave? Like I said, I find you're take very interesting.

Engineering It was only 2 weeks ago that I heard aboiut the deleted cocoon scene. It was when you said you were sure that I knew that the eggs on the derelict was from people turning into eggs that I was very confused. I then read the alien entry on wikipedia (yesterday) and was very surprised to find info about the alien cocooning scene and someone turning into an egg. No queen necessary. It was then that snorkelbottom's thread on secret's of the dark liquid began to make sense to me. You wouldn't be flying around with eggs if you weren't taking it to another humaniod world would you ? I suspect the eggs were being transported to a world where the humanoids developed to an extent that they were starting to become a possible threat to the engineers or at least maybe to other civlisations they earlier seeded or to prevent them from combining (thereby learning more about the engineer technology) with other ones to become stronger and to defy the original purpose of their children. (Remember the tower of bable and that God seperated mankind to prevent them from becoming like God after the fallen angels provided them technology they were never intended to know). The original purpose I suspect was probably to be worshipped by their children which stopped when technology supplied to humans became more important then worshipping the engineers. The engineer also tested certain aspects of their own society in these humanoid worlds but never everything (all technologies) at the same time to prevent the humanoids from becomimg like them. So the genome which included and caused too high intelligence would not be seeded which allowed only certain parts of technologies to be explored without their chilfren being too clever too quickly (doesn't everybody want their parents dead). Once testing was finished xenomorphs are employed and the the memories of the humanoids are gentically. Imrinted in the xenomorph eggs. The eggs are conveyed back to the engineer homeworld to be genetically pooled into the engineer society. All memories gained for that specific engineers dna is databased and the seeding engineers whose dna is most succesful in achieving its goal is used to create their society and make it as strong as possible and have pre knowledge of how their societies will develop as it has previously been shown in the chilfren societies. The engineers decided from previous gained experience that our civilisation would go the wrong route and decided to replace us with a different engineer's dna. I suspect the engineer that was intended for reseeding earth was the last one alive and still in stasis which is why the little earth hologram hovered over his hypersleep chamber. He was in stasis allready (as a sign of respect) and not helping with the loading of the ampules which is why he wasn't infected. Does my theories have some basis ? As for the sj in the derelict. I believe that the pilot in any juggernaut is also in hypersleep even though he isn't in a hypersleep chamber. So a facehugger could have facehugged without him even knowing it. By the the time he was chestbursted he was in the vicinity of lv 426 and he survived long enough to land the ship and posting a warning. Whas there hypersleep chambers on the derelict ? Why did lambert ask "where is the rest of the crew ?" Maybe the resulting xeno would have cocooned the other engineers in stasis if there were any ? I will get back to you on the infection of the engineers on lv 223 once I gathered some more info with how the seed and xeno dna works. Mala'kak I theorised above regarding how an engineer might be facehugged without him kmowing thereby negating his strength. Your post is very interesting as it relates to the greek gods as ridley based the engineers on greek gods. I suspect that the lack of worship to roman gods and previously to the greek gods(olympus)( which may have been copies of the engineers) was the final nail in the coffin 2000 tears ago. Mala'kak, where does that name for the engineers come from ? Is it a name word from another language ? Sounds rather weird.