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MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 9:38 AMIn looking at The Deacon's physiology, I'm having a hard time fully reconciling it's biological origins with the final result- especially it's skull. I can certainly see the human/Engineer influence (humanoid form) and the color of it's skin (Black Goo) but the shape of the cranium doesn't make sense. It has been speculated that Cuddles is shaped like a squid (initially) because these creatures are driven by some form of sexual architecture in both their behavior and physiology- a sperm cell, basically. So perhaps this has also influenced The Deacon's cranial development?
The Deacon also looks a lot less mechanical than the traditional xeno- the original had what looked like pipes around the head and neck, protrusions in the back and of course the tail. It has the second jaw, but this also doesn't make sense- humans, Engineers don't have this, and Hammerpede didn't develop this- so the Black Goo's genetic influence is not entirely consistent.
We could make the argument that if an Engineer got face-hugged while suited, this could account for the Xeno's greater mechanical characteristics (we are assuming the suit is not just a shell but becomes an extension of Engineer physiology). But the Engineers are unisex and so if they are not producing sperm, then how, again, would we explain the original Xeno's cranium and second set of jaws?
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Russ Dire
MemberOvomorphJul-09-2012 6:43 PMMaybe there is another species yet to be introduced that gets thrown into the mix...
Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-10-2012 5:03 AM"....
Also, as someone pointed out, the Deacon has no tail. An indication of that greater connection between the Engineer and itself. This trait makes it more humanoid...."
In 'Alien',,,were there any 'humaniod' features discovered during the surggery sequence?
Did Ash discover 'humonoid' features?
I ask that since we now have no Earthly ship..and just a Scientist and robot survivors...Who could anaylize a XENO..when caught?
In Prometheus' our attempt to analyze Engineers' head was disasterous..
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-10-2012 9:32 AM"....but the shape of the cranium doesn't make sense.."
What shape would make sense? I ask that not in a silly way...but as a prelude to a question I would ask the Creators//
In the Bio-Engineering world can you breed a head shape?
What if you could order a 'Head Shape' ..no tail..Deacon? For that matter couldn't Engineers have created.custom ZENOs around the fundamentals acid blood..dual jaw..bad attitude..?
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SonicGopher
MemberOvomorphJul-11-2012 8:45 AMPossibly being grown to a Pre adult state, could have possibly limited the space for the deacon's growth of a tail and/or any other xenomorph traits.
loseyourname
MemberOvomorphJul-11-2012 11:16 AMDon't forget the original chest-burster didn't look much like what it grew up to be, either. It looked liked a little iguana when it first came out, and had no torso between the elongated head and tail, and grew from being a foot and a half long to over seven feet tall, plus the tail for full length.
If the deacon is going to molt the exoskeleton it's born with and grow into something much larger and more mechanical looking with entirely new body segments, we have no idea what it will end up as.
Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-12-2012 1:39 PM"..Don't forget the original chest-burster didn't look much like what it grew up to be, either.."
The Prmetheus movie Deacon..seems to be more evolved..when born..trhan the chest=burster.....I agree with you there was quite an evolvement in Alien..and who could have guessed the final result.
Maybe what we saw in the original Alien was not the final evolvemnt of XENOs.....and since Deacon has skipped a couple of evolution hurdles...the end evolvement of him might be unlike what we have seen so far
I'm calling it now..
the next installment will have a highly evolved Deacon..with power and Intelligence that we as yet can not foresee...perhaps with a David connection...
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mattun
MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 3:50 PMWhat if the Engineer was infected with the black goo (reason why he was taking a nap)? Most or all of the dead ones seemed to be (the severed head one more clearly, and Beavis & Butthead commented on the burst bodies in the corpse pile). Might explain why he went all Hulk Smash crazy like Zombie Butthead and maybe black goo cross-pollenation is the key here.
xenonative
MemberOvomorphJul-20-2012 1:24 AMHi Everyone,
I think the Deacon Xenomorph is really unique and main uproar is the fact, we as fans, have not seen a bonafide Engineer bred Xenomorph. We are all used to the Human, Yuatja (Predator), and Dog bred Xenomorphs. :-) I sincerely think it is simple as that, and the morphology of the Deacon, in retrospect, does resemble its Engineer host in the bluish/purple tint of its chitin skeleton when it burst out of the Engineer.
I am not sure what we as fans were expecting? Something more spectacular, but I was satisfied with how that chapter of the story came to an end... I simply cannot wait in hopes to see what a fully grown Deacon looks like!
Dustie
MemberOvomorphJul-26-2012 6:58 AMDidn't the Proto-Alien burst out of the Engineer along with an Egg?
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SubsumeYou
MemberOvomorphJul-28-2012 9:18 PM Is it supposed to have a feminine and male physicality? Also, what is the nature of it's intelligence? Beast or humanoid? Or a bit of both? What is it more of? What trait is it more strongly closer to?
zzplural
MemberOvomorphAug-01-2012 12:36 AM@SubsumeYou:
It looks quite asexual to me.
I'm sure it's very intelligent. A fox is intelligent. But as to its character, that has to be speculation. Part of me says that these creature are all variants of organic weapons, in which case you must think all-out psychopathic beast. But at the same time, we have the enduring mystery as to the true purpose of all this biological engineering and the possibility that the Engineers are themselves pawns in a larger game of evolution. The nonsense that is Alien Resurrection showed a creature that maybe had some inner human attitude, but I want to wipe that from my memory.
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Thecook1122
MemberOvomorphMay-27-2015 11:31 PMIf they bring the deacon back ithink its gonna be pretty big. Both engineer and trilobite are big. Unless it kills some rescue crew or weyland captures it i dont see it coming back
BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-28-2015 6:49 AMNot sure they would be bringing the Deacon Back, but its does leave the question what becomes of it and what becomes of LV 223 between Prometheus and Aliens.... as if at some point another mission goes back to LV 223 we have to ask do they discover the Deacon?
Or maybe they only discover whats left of its Reproductive Cycle?
We cant be sure...
I would assume looking at what went into producing the Deacon that it would maintain a lot of its Mammal DNA and thus most Mammals grow between 3-4X their Birth Height when they are adult and so our Deacon would if we follow that route... about 15-20ft Tall and so about similar size to the Xeno Queen from the Alien Franchise....
But we cant be sure how tall it would end up being but i would think it would at least double in size to be about 10ft at very least and i cant see it growing to be over 25ft..
So if i had to make a Guess i would go for 18ft tall ;)
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