What David actually said to the Engineer. Mystery Revealed.

I was actually surprised when David didn't break out the flute and play a little ditty! The funny part was how Shaw was sabotaging Weyland by talking over him with all of her rants! It would have been cool if the guy with the shotgun had used the butt end and hit her. That might have explained the Engineer's immediate turn to cold blooded violence as a response...

Awesome. My own view is that Prometheus has as much of a debt to Blade Runner as it does to Alien, and this reinforces that, in that it is so reminiscent of Batty talking to Tyrell.

one of my favorite threads, thanks again sukkal

hyewîs yasmâ hwælnâ nahâst aqwhunsâz dadrrkta, tâm ghêrmha vagam ugênthâ, tâm magham bhrrma, tâm hâmanam hêhok bharânt. hyewîs aqwhobyun vakta; mya kêrt xnutâya vizât hmanam aqwhunsâz uh-gnathâ. aqwhunz vaktantâ: kludh hyewa! kêrt xnutâya vîvîzdama: hâmanas patâsa hyewasya hwælnam swah gwhârmam vastram hyewîzbya hwælnâ nahâst. tod aklawa hyewîs agrâm abhogtâ. What does this means in English?

[i]"I was actually surprised when David didn't break out the flute and play a little ditty! The funny part was how Shaw was sabotaging Weyland by talking over him with all of her rants! It would have been cool if the guy with the shotgun had used the butt end and hit her. That might have explained the Engineer's immediate turn to cold blooded violence as a response..."[/i] Ummmmm....he did! LOL Sukkal, Great post! One of the best on this site. I look forward to this and more in the Engineer Language section of the wiki.

Damn, Great find! Thanks!

Thanks for the confirmation. I kinda thought David might had said something else with the "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?" quote before they woke the Engineer. This was the only other logical deduction. 5050 split and to be honest I wish he would have said something else. Something to piss the Engineer off.

@Engineering I don't think that whatever David said, it would have mattered. They were nothing to him, except, in his way.

@Wintermute yes, very much like bladerunner. except that this time the replicant is relaying a human's message rather than demanding more life himself. that is also quite interesting...

Personally, I don't think whatever David said makes a difference. What does make a difference is that David knew things would not go well for his human counterparts. As the Engineer acknowledged David before smash mode, he was smiling (David), because in my opinion, David knew it was the end of his bond to Weyland and the beginning of real answers. David was an android, life or death was no matter, but the quest for knowledge continues...

This stuff just gets better and better. Thanks so much for all the work. Kinda figured that's what was said... sweet... [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p582/mr_lincolnlog/KnowYourXenosign-2.jpg[/img]

@jenskarlsson — The trailing [i]h[/i] is not really required technically in the orthography. It was done that way in some of the materials used by the actors and the romanization used here is intended to be a "common" version that does not require the use of IPA. The "breath" that the [i]h[/i] in this convention represents is the implosive spiration that happen when the throat releases to produce the ingressive labiovelar. The [i]qwh[/i] is heard in the tutoring session in [i]"...aqwhunsâz dadrrkta."[/i]. These are the vowel mappings that are not obvious from the circumflex: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-central_vowel]â[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_front_unrounded_vowel]ê[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-close_near-front_unrounded_vowel]î[/url]. I am hopeful that the wiki article will feature the full phoneme inventory. I do not believe that there is a minimal pair contrast between [i]*gw[/i] & [i]gwh[/i] and [i]*qw[/i] & [i]qwh[/i] the way that there is between [i]g/gh[/i], [i]b/bh[/i], [i]t/th[/i], [i]d/dh[/i]. Final [i]-h[/i] after a vowel is a distinct, intentional breath. It is not used to simply lengthen the vowel, etc. It should be heard. There are sandhi rules, but I don't know what they are yet. They differ from those of Sanskrit. @Davis — You can find it [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher's_fable]here[/url], but I'll paste it in too. A sheep that had no wool saw horses, one of them pulling a heavy wagon, one carrying a big load, and one carrying a man quickly. The sheep said to the horses: "My heart pains me, seeing a man driving horses". The horses said: "Listen, sheep, our hearts pain us when we see this: a man, the master, makes the wool of the sheep into a warm garment for himself. And the sheep has no wool". Having heard this, the sheep fled into the plain. @artyoh — In the edit [u]that has been shown to us[/u], I would agree with you.

@centaurian_slug — Alas, it seems that due to complexities of the production's timeframes etc., the spoken language and written language were not synchronized before the sets were completed. I am hopeful however that in any sequels the written word will correspond to the Engineers’ spoken language and provide dedicated fans who are motivated to take on learning the language the great fun of sifting though it all and deciphering it. @proteanblue — The cast includes anyone who spent 6~8 hours each time getting a face and body pasted on. :•) Apart from David, it is the [u]Engineers[/u] who would speak their language—not anyone from the crew of the Prometheus. Cross your fingers tighter and incant a little prayer in Engineer. ;•)

[quote=jenskarlsson][i](also technically the engineers in the hologram seem to be speaking but it sounds almost like syllabic sound samples that may not form actual words- not sure if any one has any info on this? )[/i][/quote] In the [url=http://youtu.be/veoWdXJ9KNs]VFX documentary[/url] beginning at roughly the 24:00 minute mark the special effects lead responsible for the hologram recordings explains that over "thousands and thousands of years" the quality of the "everyday security recordings" had degraded. I am now assuming having seen that that the audio quality is equally degraded so that we just can't understand what they're saying (even if we could parse the Engineer language flawlessly with our own ears). I do not know if the actors were taught dialogue that they performed on set that was then intentionally stripped of bits to mumble-ify it, or if the audio guys just took "anything" and scrambled it to suit the "degradation" theme of the footage. My core assumption is that we are to believe that when it was originally recorded it was everyday speech. ("Bummer, Dude, this trans-warp coupler looks busted. I'll take all frikkin’ day to grow a new one." ? LOL a little. :•)

This episode has been transcribed by the Russians. I guess their understanding is also quite true: [b]MYSTERIOUS ALIEN[/b] (speaks alien language): Who are you, people? What the heck do you want? Who are you, freaks? Get lost, good bye! [b]FASSBENDER:[/b] Relax, I think I know their language. (speaks alien language): [i]Sour cream showcase the ankle, a dolphin mix pitchfork, candle immunomodulator. Chimes, vicissitudes?[/i] MYSTERIOUS ALIEN kills GUY PEARCE IN AWFUL MAKE-UP with MICHAEL FASSBENDER's severed head.

@ sukkal thanks for additional info!

American version! [url=http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/06/21/prometheus-questions-engineer-david/]Yanks![/url]

great post! thanks for sharing your insight :)

I think that this oversimplifies things and poses more questions to the already troubled fans of the film. I don't think that David was loyal to his boss (creator), simply because the engineer seemed friendly until Dave spoke to him in his language. If he was offended by the fact that the old man searched the master race simply to give him the elixir of life, why did he attack everyone and not only the old man? There are many strange things about Dave and the most profound one is his despise for mankind. The last one becomes clear in two circumstances, [list] when he makes the enigmatic statement ``doesn't everyone want their parents dead?'' [/list] [list] when he replies to the cynical answer ``we made you because we could'' with “Can you imagine how disappointing it would be for you to hear the same thing from your creator?†[/list] [list] he deliberately spilt the liquid to the drink of a crew member knowing how dangerous this could turn out to be [/list] so it would sound more logical if Dave told him something like ``They came here and killed all your crew'' and that definitely triggered the violent behaviour of the engineer. I think that Dave has been in this ship before, he seems to know where to go and what to do without a lot of thinking and without any doubt that he might do something wrong. Someone might say that ok he is A.I. and his brain capacity is greater than ours and of course his memory is a lot times greater, but this doesn't justify the way he acts and of course as a machine he was supposed not to have free will, unless he has visited this place before and had a secret agenda that follows a ``secret narrating'' pattern. According to my theory Dave with others have come to this place, injected the stasis capsules with the black liquid and that's why we see the engineers running to the ``temple'', where the temperature of ``temple'' room could stop the mutation process. Remember that when the crew entered the room, the temperature started to rise and this triggered the black goo? Before they entered the room, Dave reanimated the event sequence to make sure that they all died and of course he left one alive in stasis. Why did he tell Dr. Shaw at the end that there are other ships? How could he possibly know, unless he had been there before? Another interesting aspect of Dave's behaviour is the fact that he searches the ship alone, separated by the other members as if he knows what to look for and what to look and now we are led to the critical point, the meeting with the engineer. I think it was a trap, Dave with Meredith Vickers conspired to kill her father, if Meredith is an android like Dave then this explains it all. The surgery machine was designed to perform operations only to men, if the daughter of the boss travelled with them wouldn't that be too risky for the heir of the corporate empire? So Dave must have known from the beginning how to piss off the engineer and what to say exactly. Let us now come to the dreams of Dr. Shaw, we are informed that in 3000 after Christ, there hasn't been a treatment or cure for the Ebola pandemic, isn't that strange? Although man has managed to travel to distant corners of the universe, he still faces the same problems due to lack of effort to the right direction. Like in Blade Runner, where despite the advancement of science and man's ability create robots indistinguishable form real humans, there hasn't been any cure for Sebastian's disease. In my opinion the ancient cave drawings were an invitation. In the first scene, we don't see an engineer seeding a planet, we see an execution. It was Prometheus, the Titan who helped man survive from extinction by stealing the fire from gods, that's why in the ancient drawings we see primitive people worship the engineers who pointed to the constellation. This was their punishment for helping man, others where executed and others were punished to eternal stasis until the greed of man turned against them. Like Dave who is our creation turned against us, so are we against the ones who gave us the gift of intellectuality that distinguished us from animals. We went to their prison planet and instead of liberating them, we killed them all and tried to steal their technology. Maybe this is why they called the ship "Prometheus", they already were aware of the events that took place thousands years ago. Also the ship was not heading to Earth, Dave chose our globe from the astral map for two possible reasons, either to make the last engineer's job easier after informing him that men turned against them or to force them come to Earth in order to capture one of them alive and bring the ship for further study to our home planet. As we see the black goo as an artificial DNA intelligence of the Engineers, so is Dave our creation to us, unpredictable and unstable with unknown pathways that he might follow. I will close my long analysis with a quote from a previous Ridley Scott's movie ``not an easy thing to meet your maker''.

@garboozle — We'll have to wait and see if the full exchange between the Engineer and David is "restored" in future releases of the film. Perhaps that will shed some more light on the Engineer’s actions. Damon Lindelof has also said [url=http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/prometheus-secrets-damon-lindelof.jhtml]publicly[/url] that in his commentary for the DVD/Blu-Ray he talks about why Ridley was adamant about NOT subtitling these two sentences by David in the theatrical release. [quote=To Josh Horowitz of MTV Damon Lindelof][i]Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary.[/i][/quote]