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Bladerunner70
MemberOvomorphJune 11, 2012Wow, that is one fast Spacecraft! If my numbers are correct, the PROMETHEUS was traveling [b]34.64011428209031 times the speed of light[/b] to reach LV223.
Here's my math:
327,000,000,000,000 = 327 trillion kilometers to LV223
327 trillion kilometers x 0.621371192 to convert Km to Miles
203,188,379,784,000 miles
Speed of Light = 186,000 miles per second
Distance light travels in one day = 186,000 x 3600 x 24 = 16,070,400,000
16,070,400,000 x 365 = 5,865,696,000,000 miles (distance light travels in one year)
Therefore: 203188379784000 / 5865696000000 = 34.64011428209031 years to travel @ speed of light to LV223.
Did one of the crew state they were in hypersleep for 2.5 years?
That's fast. And isn' the system LV223 is supposed to be in "realatively" close to earth?
June 11, 2012
34.64011428209031 is how many light years LV-223 is from Earth. The Prometheus made it in, what, 2 years. It had a FTL (Faster Than Light) propulsion system. It was travelling at [b]Warp Factor 17.32!!!!!![/b]
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[size=6][b]βShe canna take much more o this, Captain!β[/b][/size]
June 11, 2012
I was about to point that out Antony...
Forgot to divide by the amount of time it actually took.
Also the time was 2 years 4 months and 18 days... so it left Aug 3rd 2019 (871 days later...
Div by standard year 365.25 gives us 2.3844668036 years, to go 3.27 x 10^14km
That works out an average of 1.37126 * 10^ 14 km per year to make the trip
and div by one light year, 9,460,730,472,580.8 km
gives us 14.48 times the speed of light.
June 11, 2012
Warp Factor 14.48!!! Scotty will be pleased. the dilithium crystals were about to explode.... ; )
June 11, 2012
@Bladerunner70
regarding the "relatively close" statement, the "relatively" is the key.
It depends on the scale you consider. If you think the Moon is close, then 35LY are very very very far, but if you consider interstellar travel (and that's what we are talking about) then the closest star to our Sun is about 4LY away, so Zeta2 Ret is less than 10 times further. Considering that our galaxy (the family we belong to, basically) is 100,000LY across, 35LY are a ridiculously small amount, and definitely worth the expression "relatively close" ;)
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Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
June 11, 2012
Your reference frames are wrong. They traveled 34.5 light years in ~2 [i]ship[/i] years, not earth years. No faster than light travel.
3.27 * 10 ^14 Km = 34.56 Light years according to Google
it took them 2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 (ship) hours. (=2.38 years)
Factor of change = 34.56 / 2.38 = 14.52
so they were traveling at 0.9976256066302674 the speed of light
If they did a round trip, it would take them ~68.8 [i]Earth years[/i] but only ~4.8 [i]ship years[/i].
So when they got back, they would be 4.8 years older, and everyone who stayed on earth would be 68.8 years older.
June 11, 2012
Your reference frames are wrong. They traveled 34.5 light years in ~2 [i]ship[/i] years, not earth years. No faster than light travel.
3.27 * 10 ^14 Km = 34.56 Light years according to Google
it took them 2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours in the ships frame of reference (=2.38 years)
Factor of change = 34.56 / 2.38 = 14.52
so they were traveling at 0.9976256066302674 the speed of light
If they did a round trip, it would take them ~68.8 [i]Earth years[/i] but only ~4.8 [i]ship years[/i].
So when they got back, they would be 4.8 years older, and everyone who stayed on earth would be 68.8 years older.
June 11, 2012
Yeah, I couldn't remember how long David had told Vickers they'd been asleep? But WTF is a 'ship' year? Thanks.
June 11, 2012
@Bladerunner70:
check out special relativity, and
this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
June 11, 2012
@Kronnang Dunn
No, "Hyperspace" - they seemed very clear to set this up on the whole Weyland background thing that this was FTL technology....
Just saying. It hardly seems something worthy of the attention, anymore.
June 11, 2012
Do any of you think WE will ever be able to travel interstellar space at anywhere near that speed? Obviously I am not a science/tech guy and I cannot give you any data that supports or refutes the idea of travel at or beyond the speed of light, but the idea seems extremely unlikely at best to me?
Here's my thoughts on this kind of travel/technology development: We have sooo many problems to solve here on earth; over-population, climate change, H20 shortages, wars over resources/oil, etcetera. And the resources needed to travel and explore space beyond the moon, let alone our solar system seems extremely silly.
As well, what would we hope to accomplish in this kind of travel/exploration? Minerals? Oil? H20? Why go somewhere else when we have all we need right here on earth? IMO, we would need to get our house in order here first before WE attempt these silly space exploration attempts at huge, huge, huge, societal costs. But what do I know?
I thought PROMETHEUS was facking awesome! Can't wait for the Blu-Ray to come out.
June 11, 2012
I suppose if WE could go back in time say 150 years, and explain to someone from that time, WE would be able to build a metal bird weighing 1/2 million pounds, that could travel at 600 miles/hr @ 35,000 ft, we would be declared insane in no time.
Not to mention the fact that within 70 years we/technology went from the Wright Bros. flight to the moon and back?
June 11, 2012
@Relative. I admire that you took the time to work out the time dilation and it's relation to c.... BUT.
You have overlooked the likely consequences for this crew if they cannot exceed c, using something like Hyperspace, and have the ability to get from A to b @ v >c and also send messages across light years, without waiting years for a reply.
It would render it pointless for anyone to make such a trip and expect to ever see most of their friends and family again, as they would have died of old age.
you could say that I'm dealing in "ifs" and "buts" ... so lets look at observed data re a ship in operation working up until 2122.
The Nostromo. It has a crew member called Ellen Ripley. They've been out WAY past Zeta 2 Reticuli hauling ore (I think from some place called Thedus.) which took them 16 months to get to. By using your logic, she's been gone about 70 Earth years... and yet, she has a dughter on Earth, and she has promised to be home for her 11th Birthday. Somehow I doubt that the daughter and husband are in stasis waiting for her.
Also, Hadleys Hope. Colony control room conversation (34.5 light years from Earth)
"I don't ask. You know why I don't ask? cos it takes TWO WEEKS to get an answer, and the answer is always "Don't ask!" "
No time dilation there... the planet is not going near light speed. So they must have communications that also bypass the light speed barrier.
And what exactly would be the pound of rushing some marines out there ona rescue mission that takes 34 years? Newt Jorden would either be long dead or be 40 years old.
Not meaning to hammer home a point (although it could be contagious from the Lindelhof-Spaight script)
June 11, 2012
I was looking for the distance from Earth to LV223 that was captioned in the movie and found your post! My dad is an astronomer and just to humour ourselves were curious to determine how far this fictional location was supposed to be from Earth. Based on your information, it's about 35 light years away which, in the galactic scheme of things is NOTHING considering our galaxy is roughly 100,000 light years wide!!! 35 light years away, for example, is the distance to the star Arcturus. Regarding your math, however, am I mistaken that they actually traveled at 17 times the speed of light to go the distance of 34 years in 2 years? Do you remember exactly how long it took them? it was roughly 2 years right?
October 30, 2012
I was looking for the distance from Earth to LV223 that was captioned in the movie and found your post! My dad is an astronomer and just to humour ourselves were curious to determine how far this fictional location was supposed to be from Earth. Based on your information, it's about 35 light years away which, in the galactic scheme of things is NOTHING considering our galaxy is roughly 100,000 light years wide!!! 35 light years away, for example, is the distance to the star Arcturus. Regarding your math, however, am I mistaken that they actually traveled at 17 times the speed of light to go the distance of 34 years in 2 years? Do you remember exactly how long it took them? it was roughly 2 years right?
Hmmmmm interesting .... the apparent /effective velocity is 14.48c reflective to the time dilation factor. Therefore what's being calculated when the rate distance(d) over time(t),(d=34.5 years and t=2.383months, or v=d/t gives a equivalent or an effective velocity of 14.48c. Note this is not the actual velocity other wise time travel to the pass would occur when traving faster than the speed of light.This 14.48c represents a space time curvature factor on how much the geometry of space time is being curved. This is the equivalent of the relativistic time dilation where v=c(1-(t'/T)^2)^1/2.
This will give the actual velocity of the star ship of 0.997612c. From this other factors must be considered. The energy use, the mass of the star ship and its' occupense because the closer the velocity is to the speed of light the more massive the ship becomes therefore the more energy is needed. Once you reach 1c you would have used up all the energy in the universe. Therefore speed itself should not be the factor to travel far distance star systems.
Wormhole/warp drive/teleportation.These are all mathematically sound but the technology of this type 0 civilization has not been developed yet.
November 08, 2012
Ladies and Gents Dear Fans ,
I am sorry Prometheus never , did go to LV 223 .
It was all staged , lights camera and etc .
Zeta Reticuli star system 40 light years away in distance .
Prometheus ,ship logs 2 years travel time .
she must have traveled approx 20 times the speed of light .
Twenty times of the speed of light . For ST fans it is Warp
factor 2.5
H O W ?
Now we assume Wayland must have above ,top secret GAP in the
script or
yes , or a proper star drive which can easily
manipulate all norm and exotic gravity and space fabric . Because
their power generator can output only spring time lightning worth
of jolt to power 4 VTOL nuclear ION plasma engines to produce
push force . Lets give them an extra Power plant to rapit fire
ten times more power to jolt up two extra ION matter drives to
produce more push force ( That comes with LSS and TDS life
support system and Time dilation sequencer ) still YET they
cannot go quarter of the way . So where is the true FTL HEART of
Prometheus . Is there one ?
If you need to go to LV 223 in less than a year . You need a fine
tuned STARDRIVE period .
We do have proper solutions . Our Stardrives ,fold drives, and
Oserapheem drives are well tested time after time .
We are Sendercorp ,we bring peace to multiverse .