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Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 5:24 PMSPOILER WARNING - what you are about to read may spoil your surprise of this movie and it will ruin your surprise of a sequel, plus it may ruin your chance to figure this out on your own or with your friends. You were warned this a TRUE SPOILER. So if you like mystery..STOP NOW!
There's a lot to explain, first (here) I'll just note the important observations I haven't seen elsewhere:
1) "Every king has his reign and then he dies. That is the natural order of things."
In the scene with the living space jockey, aka Engineer, but more appropriately called a "Gardener" than Engineer (explained in the posts below). When the 'last living' Engineer comes out of the pod, please note: The Space Jockey IS BOWING DOWN waiting for the earth humans to act. (Don’t believe me. go back and watch it for yourself.) The Engineer then kneels and is genuflecting. Why do you think that?
3) Director Scott makes the bow a little tricky to take in by simple misdirection. Scott has the Engineer cough (and we were given a directorial-push about humans waking up from hyper sleep early in the film). Then the aged Peter Weyland startles and jumps backward, then has David steady Weyland, and then has Weyland and Elizabeth shouting all during the bow. Watch it again and I promise that you’ll see the clearly. After bowing to the floor (which naturally could be taken for hyper sleep exhaustion) and all the ruckus, not the Engineers cautious move to kneeling (as in ancient times) on one knee. It is unmistakable. So what?
4) So only after he, the Engineer/Gardener, realizes that the earth humans are not there to command him, rather they are fighting each other (note his surprised expression) and Weyland has David clearly explain to him the earth humans are there for assistance from him, the earth humans want help from him, the Engineer!
5) Then the Engineer gets it: these earth humans are here and apparently unfazed by the black goo (explained in posts below) and are not here: a) to join with the Engineers (bow back perhaps) or to replace the Engineers (retire the space jockey race aka "Every king has his reign and then he dies. It is the natural order of things."). Only then does the Engineer proceeds to stand up, look at them, examine the robot and caresses it perhaps thinking such a well spoken small human is a fitting replacement. Only then to realize that it is a non-DNA based intelligence (why this is important in posts below) and then immediately take it apart, and then bash the earth human 'king' with it. (In case you missed it Weyland isn’t just corp exec, well he is, but he’s closer to the human earth King (He's leading the colonization of space.) Because Gardeners, aka Engineers/Space Jockeys, know something that apparently isn't clear to all of you. What is that?
6) "Big things have small beginnings"
David says this with the drop of the black goo on his finger, but it actually refers to David, non DNA based intelligence, us - the new engineers, and to the goo as well -death to all humans but not to immune beings like David. So this quote refers to us and more particularly to David and that is the reason why earth humans and the 'Engineers' must part ways. Why?
7) "humanity is just a bridge"
Earth humans are a bridge to a non DNA form of intelligence, David.
see link http://www.whatis101112.com/ I suppose it is possible some of the engineers just don't want to be replaced by earth humans, like Weyland doesn't want to be replaced by his daughter, but that's a bit overly simplistic for a multi-billion year old culture, no? Remember, these guys seeded DNA based life on an untold number of worlds. What's worse than the xenomorph (who after all is just a closely related DNA cousin), a new order of non DNA life that might kill all their Garden of Eden planets, of which Earth is one. That is a true conflict of interest, yes?, for a multi billion year old culture.
If you like, I can post the whole thing, but there's a lot to it - so it is long and seems a bit type here, but ask and I'll post all the explainations, but in brief. Also, if you read this, please could you post a reply here? That will keep this thread on the message board.
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Draconis
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 8:49 PM@Deneba321
hi thanks for your reply,
I'm not saying I disbelieve you, I just think your seeing something that isn't there I went to see it before I read this, I already knew about the project back in 2002 when Scot and Cameron first started the project then sidetracked it for AvP although this pissed me off I forgave this since I was expecting it from the predictor 2 hint and was looking forward to seeing where it was going, but due to AvP they had to scrap the story and start again maybe not from scratch but it had to be changed since they would clash to much,
anyway back to it so I watched it b4 this post and iv watched it three more times since(lots of friends wanting to watch it at different times lol) so 4 times and still just see a man, a big man who's been a sleep for 2000 yrs wakes up and tries to walk and falls to his feet (GODS DO NOT BOW)
so I'm sorry mate, its not a case of me not believing you, I just think your wrong on this point everything else makes sense just not him bowing before an inferior species.
as for your comment on memory your preaching to a preacher my friend I am the happy owner of a photographic memory so didn't need to watch it 4 times lol but I enjoyed it every time even though iv spent £60 in one week on it, well at least iv contributed to the next one ;) all said well done on keeping people talking because the more a film is talked about the bigger the chance of a second its not just the money.
keep up the good work I'm enjoying your writings ;)
Andy
Draconis
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 9:10 PM@ all that are confused about the reason for the Engineer/ Gardeners/Space Jockeys or as some may remember the true name as Mala'kak, wanting to destroy their creation (Humans),
Its not about destroying us, its nothing personal, it is very simple
the Mala'kak wanted to create a perfect weapon the Xenomorph,
to do this they created a basic DNA cell much like a sperm cell and is very similar in nature, think of us as an egg we hold the DNA designs that the Xenomorph DNA cells need to fuse with, much like our own reproductive system works, the Mala'ka/Engineers wouldnt want to use their own people to experiment on, so they simply created a race that shared their DNA to use as a base DNA cell for the Xenomorph to emerge from, but luckily for us they cocked up ;) like I said it was nothing personal its said that the Mala'kak were a noble people, and I'm thinking that there may have been a war that made them desperate to win at any cost but who knows?
daunda
MemberOvomorphJun-19-2012 9:44 AM@Dan I think there are more than just the engineers were in the bases. Look at the scene in which David starts the hologram. He steps up maybe two feet to implement the code or whatever but when it comes time to enter the chambers urns he has to use a ladder to input the code. And there is a great shot that shows the Shaw next to the dead engineer ad it clear that he is not tall enough to reach those buttons or whatever you want to call them. Fast forward to the scene where David enters the navigation room and you see four individuals standing I the entrance about the height of the area where David had to us the ladder and you look real close their helmets are different from the engineers they are more streamlined. they are so tall david's head reaches thier mid section. so RS gave us glimpse of another being that we will most likely meet later. Check it out. Like to hear your input on who they might be. if this has been discussed my bad.
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 2:17 PMI must admit, I love how the intermediate stage of the xenomorph has been labeled the trilobite (see link image below).
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/503
When it was clearly born of a spermatozoa and clearly looks like a spermatozoa. I suspect people are just squeamish.
This is what a trilobite looks like.
http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/trilobites.jpg
Redrum
MemberOvomorphDec-09-2012 2:08 PMWhat a superb thread. Interesting that this thread died so quickly like a collapsed civilization. I want to add a question though and this is the thread I was reading when it occurred to me. If the black goo is a WMD that cleanses/sterilizes a planet, why must it be ingested to take effect? That is a poor dispersal method to engineer.
Perhaps there are more than one types of goo. There is the black fluid with burnt chrome sheen, as seen in the cup in the beginning, that once ingested dissolves its host and is used to seed a planet with the honorary donor's DNA. This could be the same stuff that caused the exploding head shortly after reanimating it. And perhaps a different goo is programmed to produce a xenomorph from selected DNA and cleanse a planet.
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJan-15-2013 9:48 PMDear Redrum, perhaps this thread is dead, but not forgotten...I said I'd answer questions...
I'd offer the black goo doesn't have to be ingested or at least we don't know that it does and perhaps evidence that it does not. The four examples I'm thinking of are:
1) Fifield, whose face was being eaten away by acid when he fell (face first) into a puddle of the goo. He may have been able to swallow the goo with his face mostly destroyed, but then again he may have simply touched the goo midst the acid and his corroding helmet.
2) Janek's warning to Ravel as he was about to place his finger in the good, something akin to "...Don't touch..." and why do we care about that warning. Well, because...
3) Only David ever touched the goo with his bare skin. Why is that important? David is an android and to our knowledge, he doesn't have DNA which the viral goo could infect. Which would put David in a very good position if that's the traditional weapon of the SpaceJockeys.
4) This example is perhaps the most speculative, but remember when the crew of the Prometheus looked up at the ceiling of the urn chamber? The ceiling looked as if something was dark growing across it and had begun to obstruct our view of the ceiling's mural. I admit it is only my immediate take on it, but I inferred the clear bio-tech goo (which coats the surfaces of stromatolite building and makes the atmosphere as well as activates/powers the control panel hieroglyphs David activates in the hall, and as a byproduct of its overall huge biomass creates Millburn's "martian piss" streams running down all the hallway in rivulets that have presumable slowly eroded the floor over time) had just been touched by the black goo just released from the urns and was basically being infected before our eyes. Again, we lack sufficient examples of microbial goo infections to corroborate the nature of the bio-tech goo and whether it was being infected, but I'd love to hear a more plausible explanation of that.
Ask and I'll give my best answer and I'd love to hear your best answers that stick with the movies details (as oppose to pure flights of fancy) as well.
Best!
Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-16-2013 5:39 AM"..What a superb thread.."
Somehow this thread was piled over and needed to be rescued.
I was surprised at the large number of posts. I have not read them all But the viewpoints are interesting. The sticky thread on Goom is quite detailed an offers additional posts on this subject.
I am afraid 'goo' has a life of it's own, so to speak. It will be cussed and discussed for quite awhile till more on this subject is revealed.
C'mon RS get busy. Give us what we want..NOW!
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJan-17-2013 12:37 AMHi Indy John,
What does a "piled over" thread mean? And, yes, agree goo does have life (a life) of its own. :-)
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJan-17-2013 12:39 AMAlso, how is it you picked up that quote signature on your posts, "Be choicelessly aware as you move through life" What does it represent to you?
Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-17-2013 5:19 AMTHe shear number of posts and threads since your original posts have covered over the content of your thoughts.
When doing a search at this site you need to have exact wording otherwise a subject or thread will not appear.
On a recent search I came across your original thread and comments.
I note that Redrum made a recent comment but I somehow missed this entry.
Comments about trilobite were of special interesr. I had seeen this word used in conjunction with our movie but thought it was just made up. Your comments sparked an interest to find out the meaning and it's implication to our movie.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJan-17-2013 11:03 AMHi Indy John, I hadn't realized. So is it widely noted about the last space jockey's possible genuflection or more about using the name 'trilobite' for what appears to be a goo viral modified single meiosis cell?
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJan-17-2013 11:09 AM@ Indy John - finally caught on that this site has emails - thanks for yours.
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJan-25-2014 2:01 AMInteresting, a year has gone by since I last thought to look here. Yet another quiet thread laying dormant. All good.
Just read the sequel is coming out in 2015...good or not - I'm bound to go see it.
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphFeb-13-2015 12:34 PMAnother year...like an eTomb here...quieter than a mouse.
Interestingly, the Wachoski's used the "genetic re-occurance" as an all-but spiritual event in their new movie, "Jupiter Ascending".
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphDec-13-2015 5:44 PMClose to another year since last post - looks like Scott plans a trilogy of sequels. Curious to see if somehow this thread found its way to the storyline, but who knows.
Best,
Deneba
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