What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?

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Chris

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In Prometheus Fifield and Milburn stumble upon a pile of dead Engineers in their Bio-Suits in the East wing of the Alien Temple. Some of the Engineers show busted heads, others show busted rub cages. What could have caused this? [center][url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/121][img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap30.jpg[/img][/url][/center] Obviously, something got "out" in the Temple and prevented the Engineers from departing from LV_223 some 2000 years prior to the events of December, 2093. When David activated the holographic recording of the Engineers running away from something, the crew follow them to entrance of the Ampule Room where one of the Engineers perished at the foot of the door before being decapitated by it. [center][url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/119][img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap28.jpg[/img][/url][/center] Why were the Engineers seeking refuge in the Ampule in the first place? Where did they go? Were they eventually found in that room and dragged to where Fifield and Milburn discover their dead remains? Also, where are the beings responsible for this? Did they disappear? Or perhaps did they hijack one of the other Juggernaut Space Vessels as it was attempting to escape and this is what brings us to ALIEN? Could the original Xenomorph creation (Seen in the Mural) be the cause of this massacre? Could they have gotten on one of the ships without the Engineer knowing? Or was this something else? Could it have been a different breed of Alien? An interesting thing to note is that the way in which the Engineers were all gathered in one place and then killed (I'm assuming) mimics that of what we see in ALIENS and even a deleted scene of ALIEN - where the Xenomorphs drag their victims to a spot, near the Hive's core where they can be impregnated and the offspring born without danger. Could an Alien Hive have been created on LV_223 inside the Engineer Temple? Could a premature Queen have emerged and started reproducing and forming a Hive? If so, then what caused them to disappear? Why did Fifield and Milburn not discover Hive resin on the walls? Or any remains from the antagonists? Could the Aliens have ventured to another Temple in search of more hosts? Or did the Engineers find a way to stop them somehow? This topic contains many, many, many questions for you all to dissect and speculate over. Post your thoughts and opinions on this here! Hopefully we will get our answer when Prometheus 2 surfaces!

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Nickel
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June 10, 2012

@xeron..yeah man i absolutely think the war is the way to go...i agree as I've written in an earlier post on this thread...that the airborne threat is unlikely to have killed the engineers for the same reasons as you've written...but they must have been infected with something...an outbreak of face hugger type things...just because that pile if engineers have burst holes in their chests and head...i think the 3rd party your referring too are actually the side of engineers that want to protect and created 'us'...so 'they' or even 'one' of them sent in motion a plan to destroy the engineers with their own (possibly shared) bio weapon...i'd go even a little step further as the murals depict a pet type or other type alien at the feet of an engineer...but also in the cave painting too this could be the loving sacrificial engineers version of the xeno which has a different but no less scary purpose....alls fair in love and war right.

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June 10, 2012

Going along with my "superweapon" theory, here's what I think happened to this ship. The Engineers picked up various mammal "hosts" from Earth, including at least one human. They start to incubate the hosts with the goo, but the human unexpectedly turns out to be intelligent, and escapes. So the xeno emerges somewhere in the ship and runs amok, killing much of the crew. (Note: another possibility is that all of these were killed in one spot by whatever the Engineers were using to kill xenos -- fire, gas, etc...). The remaining Engineers record a warning message saying "holy crap, a xeno got loose!" and "humans are dangerous, we have to destroy Earth!" Then, because only a few stayed alive, they go into stasis and wait for reinforcements.

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June 10, 2012

I think that the engineers were killed by another alien race. That race is called, what we know today as the Space Jockey. I have always thought that the engineers we see in Prometheus are different from the famous Space Jockey we see in Alien. They are two races of beings. The Space Jockey race is taller and much wider at the shoulders. But the biggest difference is that the heads of the Space Jockey is really elephantine. What we see in Alien is not the Space Jockey with a helmut on. We are truly seeing his actually head. Can't you see that it's nose (trunk) runs from the nose and is attached at the chest. Thats no helmut.

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June 10, 2012

Just some more thoughts to add to my earlier post: Where are Elizabeth Shaw and David heading to now? To find these ORIGINAL BEINGS home world. The one they are now leaving was merely a Military base… producing weapons of mass destruction. One that (obviously) a “renegade conscientious objector” rebelled against… …named “PROMETHEUS”. Was that military base and their agenda against certain others of their race an abomination? Did others, then “conspire” with “POMETHEUS” and enable what he accomplished??? Ridley Scott will explain...later. Cheers! ;-)

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June 10, 2012

@ribirosa...possible scenario my friend...but the trunk like features of the bio suit in the prometheus engineer also run into the chest...the decapitated head...has it's 'nose' broken in half ...so is that why you think it's not attached?..i agree in 'ALIEN' the SJ looks a lot bigger that the prometheus engineers so theres a plausibility....but we just don't know how relevant that is just now...especially because the bio suits are built into the pilots chair of the ship and enclose the pilot in it as they're getting ready for take off and look exactly like the SJ's we all know about....seems a long way to go to mimck something thats trying to kill you...but like the 'out of the box idea' @Baronxenomorph...can i ask you what your baseing that theory on?

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June 10, 2012

[i]Why were the Engineers seeking refuge in the Ampule in the first place? Where did they go? Were they eventually found in that room and dragged to where Fifield and Milburn discover their dead remains?[/i] - Well, I think that Engeneers got out of the room (the way they got out is irrelevant), but we, neither the team of Prometheus, saw the hologram of them getting out. They probably got out eventually, but it doesn't matter how. And yes: [b]From what were they running from?[/b] Maybe the Engeneer was actually going beserk, if he wasn't then something (that they were running from)didn't bother with his body, the Engeneer's body isn't moved at all.

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June 10, 2012

@donalddinks.... it was Shaw and holloway that chose to go to LV223 because they said that its near sun made that particular 'rock's condition more hospitable and visitable...the star constellation depicted in the film is more likely the star system the engineers come from.(or have an outpost type planet and is the closest visiting point in relation to earth)..but at no point does the cave drawing(s) specifically point to LV223....i think its likely that in the engineers star system they indeed inhabit one of those planets...which wouldn't be supportive to our life system...considering LV426 is a neighbour of LV223 its not out of the way to think that the engineers come from that system and keep their military base far enough away to be safe yet close enough to get to easily 'commuting' with their technological advancement like earth to pluto or uranus....same system but light light light years apart...the world is our oyster....the universe is theirs...so in summation...they 'Shaw etc) made a mistake in visiting the wrong planet in the system for answers...but the right one in terms of hospitable sustainable condition....

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June 10, 2012

Galzu, I completely agree with you. they were running from the aliens which must have been an outbreak. they must have created the humans then for some reason which we are unsure of decided that humans were bad and needed to be killed so they created the "black goo" as bioweapon of mass destruction which they produced on this other planet in case an outbreak happened, which it did. and they were unable to carry out their plan. and when the one woke up from the cryo chamber he knew that the humans were to be killed and tried to kill them to carry out his mission and the ship (which we know their were multiple of) was carrying the canisters (the bioweapons)which we saw thousands of in the ships hold to wipe out the entire human population on earth.

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June 10, 2012

I think the bodies are just in front of some doors ( the doors look like the ones where is the human face ) so mby the think killed them is behind the door and engineers wanted to stop it at all cost so they managed to close the doors but at the cost of their dead. There u can see it its from the Art book i think [img]http://i.imgur.com/8GzSt.jpg[/img]

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June 10, 2012

I don't think the surviving engineer is at fault. I think he's their Ripley, surviving in stasis until possible rescue. All it would have taken is one opened or broken canister to destroy all of the engineers who weren't protected from that environment. I think the last engineer just got lucky when he got in the pod. I am reconciling myself by thinking the goal of the engineers was to populate all the planets with the goo, sacrificing one engineer and one canister per landing. They may have started with Earth, flying their one large disc ship to the virgin planet and dropping off one engineer, then leaving to observe. Then years later they check in. Then they discover we are hell bent on destroying ourselves and worshipping other creators, so they decide to annihilate us. I think they wanted to annihilate every impregnated planet's population before we stumbled upon an intergalactic link up. That would explain the wrath of the engineer who woke up 2000 years after his alarm clock went off, and was like "what are these things yelling at me in that strange language - oh what, was that Sumerian?! Humans!?!? Must kill all before they spread!!" Either that or the engineer race recognized the human race that evolves has reached the end of their evolutionary biodiversity, approaching that of the engineers, and they decided to add a little fuel to the (promethean) fire, so to speak. What I can't work out with that theory is why they would want to populate all the planets. I understand a central theme is creation, and the ambition to create (become, in essence, a 'god'), but on such a massive scale?

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June 10, 2012

Thanks for agreeing with me @Nickell.

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June 10, 2012

Just wanted to contribute, I'm watching Prometheus now and just noticed a flaw in one of infidels theories, when the engineer holographs are running the last one that you said may have been infected looks back as he is running so that would seem illogical if they were running from him

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June 10, 2012

Gratqaz: If so, a valid point -- I must have missed that.

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June 10, 2012

They had to have been running from the aliens. such as the ones from Alien Vs. Predator. This entire movie ties into AvP and in the very last scene we see one of the aliens are hatched from the body. there must have been an outbreak of the aliens in the facility. we already see the "black goo" can cause the aliens to be hatched in some way. the "squid" must have implanted an egg unto him.

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June 10, 2012

we know the engineers were on a mission to wipe life from earth " which was obviously one of there creations and which spawned the major question at the end why would they want to rid earth of life after they created it" so the engineers came to the installation to collect the weapons to destroy life on earth when things went wrong and another point ..just because it was a military base doesnt mean they were not experimenting with there biological weapons and improv ing them so maybe it was a military bioweapons research and storage base.....so i think when the base was contaminated all the engineers were killed and the survivors went into hyper sleep intil the contamination was gone....and maybe the base was under a type of quarinteen we dont know what time means to the engineers 2000 years could be nothing..and i would love to know what is in those other rooms

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June 10, 2012

I believe they were running from there own creation like capt. Said it was proable a military site with them being so hostile so odds are one of those creatures got out or maybe multiple of them where chasing the running engineers so the engineers wanted to be safe and go to the nearest place that could offer shelter also everyone is talking about the one surviving engineer killing everyone if you look close at the pile of body's there by a door so they had there back againest the wall and were trying to get in(I'm sure someone locked them out)and thats my theory

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June 10, 2012

I believe they were running from there own creation like capt. Said it was proable a military site with them being so hostile so odds are one of those creatures got out or maybe multiple of them where runing at the engineers they wanted to be safe and go to the nearest place that could. Could be locked also they everyone talking about the one surviving engineer killing everyone if you look close at the pile of body's there by a door so they had there back againest the wall and were trying to get in(I'm sure someone locked them out)and thats my theory

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June 10, 2012

Before David starts the hologram playback he finds a different type of goo on the wall than the black goo we see the restvofvtge movie. Then as stated already we see the last one look back and fall and then the door cut his head off. It does seem that an outbreak took place.. Through out the film David's character throws caution to the wind not considering the safety of those around him.

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June 10, 2012

Oh my god, this discussion also leads to shaw's thinking, why the engineers created us and want to destroy us? Well, according to my assumption is that there are good and bad engineers in LV 223, as the temple with the humanoid head, are the "facility" that some sort of experiment was going on and those engineers were try to stop it or something. However, this reflects me to the thinking that when charlie discovered an "alien-figure" on the wall behind the humanoid head, and also a door that could lead to another passage, is this really means something, something that aliens had arrived on LV223 long time ago? even Now im confused......

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June 11, 2012

WARNING- possible spoilers Ok, so this is a little far out there but my prediction is that the engineer found on the derilict ship on LV-446 was not an engineer but possibly shaw. She was flying one of the ships with the help of David. As we all know senthetics have a history of betraying the protagonist in the films. My theory is David had alterear motives to helping Shaw. I believe he at some point possibly contamiats her causing her to become impregnated this time with a pure form( the xenomorph intended by the engineers). It bursts out of her chest, becomes a queen and lays the eggs in the ship. David then sends out the distress becon to be later picked up by the company. Now I know whats going to be asked where was David then when they found the ship, well the ship was rather large and they didn't explore the whole ship. Or David could of been destroyed by the Alien, we all saw how the queen reacted to Bishop in Aliens so I doubt he lived in harmony with them, or his power finally ran out and he went dead and they simply didn't find him. So what do you think, I could easily be wrong and I've might of forgot a few points but I think its a pretty good prediction.

What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?

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