Was the Deacon shown to us right from the beginning of the movie, on the Mural?

@[b]abordoli[/b] At first I thought that was, like, the Engineer's heart.....but then it hit me that it might be placenta. I'm no expert on things like this but I think placenta is still attached along with the umbilical cord in a newborn. The placenta is where the unborn would get its food I think. The part that confused me was that it was throbbing, or pumping like a heart, hence my first belief that it was the Engineer's heart. I tried Googling placentas and I found images tied to one "I ate my baby's placenta," and stopped there. )x

[b]"DEACON"[/b]...Hey He plays drums for Queen...Yup, I see the resemblance now !!! [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1Deacon1.jpg[/img]

Somewhere, Ridley said that the Alien space jockey belonged to an alternate group of engineers who departed LV 223 about 100 years before the events of Prometheus. So, that would make for an entirely different timeline than conjecture will allow for the Deacon to be the "proto-xeno." Moreover, if, As Svanya suggests, the wall mural portrays the Deacon, that can only mean that the incubation of the Deacon requires a human female as its host. Furthermore, she will have to be "impregnated", so to say, with the sperm of a human male, who, in turn, has been infected with mutagens from black goo. If that too, is true, then we understand why the engineers were headed to earth, either to acquire hosts or to eliminate the species that could act as the perfect host for the perfect bio-weapon.

The Juggernaut has a cargo hold with a lot of Urns [img]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/protoxeno86/prometheusV_screencap30.jpg[/img] The Juggernaut Derelict is full of eggs [img]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/protoxeno86/eggchamber.jpg[/img] and what is the risk of that, well... [img]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u498/protoxeno86/hr_giger_facehuggerArte.jpg[/img] And in Prometheus we see that the engineers were killed by something, Nevertheless I still believe that the Urns are an updated version of the biological weapon.

Found this online. [IMG]http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm427/luckybill13/alien.jpg[/IMG]

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@CrazyDave55811; Exactly, I think it's a placenta. Like I said to Abordoli, some newly birthed/hatched fish and sharks continue to feed off their placental yolk for a few hours/days. As for the SJ culture this guy nailed it on the head I think; (Ridley Scott used this mythology for the SJ)-->[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7436]PROMETHEUS Explained! (Sumerian)[/url]

@Gahlaktus Interesting thoughts and in fact... What have in common "LV-223" with "LV-426"? Well, in two moons we have two juggernauts abandoned and their Space Jockeys pilots dead (ok, there are a few variations, but anyway) and history repeats in terms of the outcome. and the quote: The wall mural portrays the Deacon, that can only mean that the incubation of the Deacon requires a human female as its host. Furthermore, she will have to be "impregnated", so to say, with the sperm of a human male, who, in turn, has been infected with mutagens from black goo. Well here's a little problem, because the Xenomorph can be impregnated in men and women.. So if Deacon can only be the result of a Trilobite in the womb of a woman...well...then the Deacon would be an ancestor of the Xenomorph and not an updated version. @CrazyDave55811, Yeah, Colonial Marines will be an epic game, and I wonder ... what will be the link with Prometheus? Urns, black goo, Cuddles Trilobite or the Deacon. I imagine a Deacon can reach the size of an Engineer or even bigger, maybe like a Queen (just speculating of course :p).

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@Shambhala; IF it does turn into a Queen, maybe the initial "impregnation" by a male and female host would explain why only "she" is fertile and can lay eggs (may not even be female, but a combo). But then to have that theory work, you would need a pairing, either forced or sacrificial, who knows.

Shambhala: the Deacon is a separate line from the xeno. Somewhere Ridley once said that the engineers could control the xeno, teach it and civilize it. Not so with the trilobite and its Deacon. Why? Because they can't control when or how it is conceived. Human sexuality infected with Bio-former puts the trilobite and Deacon beyond any possibility of the engineers' control, whatsoever. Humans could breed them for the sole purpose of combating the engineers. It's a three step process, C-section the fetus, trilobite and "Deacon" the engineers. Incidentally, these three steps have nothing to do with any other way the Deacon may choose to reproduce itself. This is only to say what "weaponizing" the trilobite and Deacon against the engineers entails. This is what they feared. So, if they sent "Jesus" it was because they knew that a woman's sexuality and her womb was the ultimate weapon. Hence sexual morality, etc. But finally, they decided not to take any chances, eliminate the human species. We don't know the order of their experiments. What we do know is that human reproduction throws a weaponized curve ball into the mix for the engineers.

I also think that Svanya has put her finger on an additional matter. But here's the thing, it all comes down to a matter of control, or the lack thereof. The engineers can't control the lethality of bio-former once it is combined with human sexuality. Period.

@Svanya, Yeah, If the Deacon evolves into a queen, perhaps the first "impregnation" (male and female) generated a sexual determination in the creature. Anyway this creature needs to reproduce, and if it is hermaphrodite then will have to evolve into a fertile female that can lay eggs. Unless of course that the Deacon continue to be hermaphrodite and become their victims in cocoons as the first Xenomorph. But anyway it is quite possible that the sexuality of Xenomorphs has much to do with human contact with the Black Bioformer and explains the point of the queen.

@Gahlaktus, "A king has his ring and then he dies...it's inevitable"...Yeah, it is possible that human beings are destined to dethrone the Engineers, and they know it. Then they tried to exterminate mankind but for some reason changed their minds for 2000 years. (And then again one of them want to kill us). The Deacon may be a collateral version of the Xenomorph, an ancestor, or the latest in weaponry. However, in Prometheus we have something similar to what we see in the Star Wars prequels, and that something is a Huge! technological contrast, For now I think the Prometheus compare with the Nostromo is similar to comparing the Derelict with the Juggernaut.. But the Urns certainly seem more advanced and manageable than the eggs.

Shambhala: I agree but that always always happens with movies until someone makes up a convenient fiction explaining away those differences and inconsistencies.

[i]Well here's a little problem, because the Xenomorph can be impregnated in men and women.. So if Deacon can only be the result of a Trilobite in the womb of a woman...well...then the Deacon would be an ancestor of the Xenomorph and not an updated version.[/i] On the contrary, the need for a Deacon's creation to be dependent on the impregnation of an infected man laying his seed within a woman MAKES the Deacon an updated version of the Xenomorph. Man hasn't been around long enough for it to be an ancestor. I have more to say, but let's chew on this a bit.

I think Gahlaktus is really onto something. I don't think the Engineers can reproduce via heterosexual pairings either. Earth may have been interesting to them because a male/female dichotomy, which produces infinite genetic diversity very easily, was already established here when they originally mixed in their DNA. I'm not convinced that the black goo is their original technology. I believe they may have stolen it from THEIR gods. Hence, the worshipful nature of the temple room(s).

I don't mean to be cras, but did you just say that engineers are homosexuals with the added benefit of being able to conceive? Seeing that they're 100% genetic matches to us and they either have penises or vaginas (or both)......hold up......I've gotten myself all confused now picturing engineer sex.

sukkal : I agree with you. I think they stole it too. Not only that, after really thinking about the real substance behind Svanya's post, moreover, and reading the wonderful link on the Sumerian sources behind Prometheus that she provided. I think I know where the LV 426 Space Jockey was headed : he and his group were headed to the home world of the creators, the naga, or dragon lords to, wipe them out with the xeno. The Prometheus group was headed to earth to wipe it out. About a month ago there was this guy who swore he had seen a version of Prometheus, where at the end, Shaw was on the way to the home world of a group of "banana headed" highly intelligent extraterrestrials who were humanities true creators. He got shouted down and called a fraud and was never heard from again. Now, after having read the stuff that Svanya provided, I'm inclined to think that's where Shaw is going to wind up-- at the home world of the naga. We're going to have a Paradise Lost scenario, which to my mind is a good thing. I happen to love Milton. His gloomy world is quite like the one on LV 223.

hi iv just joined after reading through all your comments and iv just watched the film I must say that I was expecting more, mainly answers really but never mind, it is still a great film and will be going to see it again, as I said I read through what you all have said and iv watched and listened to what R.S has said, but I cant help but think that he is hiding something its like he is talking in riddles, what I have put together is that this film in his eyes is not a prequel but more like a prequel to a prequel if that makes sense, Its connected but not directly and I think that is because there is more to come. He talks about this being a separate story that precedes the story of Alien but is not directly connected to that franchise. According to Scott, though the film shares "strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak", and takes place in the same universe, Prometheus will explore its own mythology and ideas. So although Prometheus may well not be directly connected to alien the next one might be, only time will tell.

The 'Deacon' and the 'Xenomorph' exist roughly contemporaneously. This means they are two different species with a common ancestor. There is not enough information in the film to tell which of the two species is closest to the common ancestor, and thus more primitive than the other species. Chimpanzees and humans exist at the same time. They did not evolve from one another. They share a common ancestor. It is also important to note that the "Engineers" did not truly design humans, but merely used their own DNA to derive life on Earth. They didn't create the original design, they simply exploited it. This was likely the case with the Xenomorphs as well. They took an existing, dangerous, organism and monkeyed around with in an effort to make it predictable enough to control and lethal. I think many of the organisms encountered in the movie are not related to the Xenomorph at all. These were simply other types of biological weapons that the Engineers were experimenting with.

Guys I read everything and just want to say that this is giving me an orgasim but I Am just a little confused on one thing. If this goo was suppose to be involved into the spawning of this deacon alien, then why does that guy with the mohawk ( can't think of his name ) turn into a killer super zombie? Just wanted to say that David is a reaper dooms day device and he indoctrinated weyland

I believe the Black Goo is universal cosmic slime that acts as a vehicle or host for life to emerge. It was no afterthought that the first Engineer went to the water for his sacrifice since the our primordial planet was greater than 75% water and what was needed as a conduit to spread infinite amounts of DNA. since we share their DNA as homosapiens we are a match as their distant descendants. It would have been interesting if shaw had compared their DNA with Neanderthals DNA.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before and I do apologize for my redundancy if someone has, but I was also looking at the concept art and I enlarged the image of the creature crouching beneath the Engineer and I compared the arms to that of the creature holding the Alien egg and they are one and the same. I don't know what that creature is or if that's it's head or a facehugger attached after exposing itself to an open egg. I don't know if it is even connected to the film but it should be.

What if the Engineers did not create the Xenos in the first place? Maybe the black goo is a mutagen derived from Xeno DNA. Behind the mural/door/tomb is an egg silo or maybe even a queen. The engineers found the Xenos somewhere and decided to use them for research or to weaponize them. They would need "lab rats" that are genetically similar to them so they create humans. Bring the ooz back to your petri dish and see what happens. The dead engineers in the facility lost control of the Xenos as happens when one tries to control them. The first engineer in the film was trying to stop the development of the Xeno DNA by destroying the facility/polluting the water supply.

@Gahlaktus Your posts on Jun-09-2012 10:59 PM & Jun-09-2012 11:42 PM are exactly what I was thinking after I watched the movie, almost word for word.

Draconis : I agree with you Prometheus is a vast riddle. RS wants us to think and question. I also think he's hiding a lot that he intends to reveal later. He also has hidden some things right in front of our eyes.

wilv : I was just following the logic of Svanya's original post. If I assumed that what she had posted was true then it followed - given the events of the movie - you don't need a facehugger to birth a Deacon if you're a woman. Now, that would have to be absolutely scary for an engineer. Why? Because a woman can midwife the life cycle without apparent loss of life. No derelicts. Midwives are weapons. They can take down - no pun intended - the engineers. That's absolutely scary and powerful. Remember RS directed Thelma & Louise, he created Ripley. Now Shaw. The concept that WE all mutually exposed as a consequence of Svanya's post is something RS would do. Incidentally, as a consequence of her role in Thelma & Louise, and conversations with women over the years, Geena Davis is now doing unique women-centered work in the state of California. Big things have small beginnings. Thought you guys might like to know.

[i]Because a woman can midwife the life cycle without apparent loss of life. No derelicts. Midwives are weapons. They can take down - no pun intended - the engineers.[/i] If this is so, and I don't disagree, then was probably what motivated the engineer to go after Shaw after crashing as opposed to heading to the next ship. He was trying to quarantine/contain the "wombs-day-weapon" ; ).

Here is why I feel the Deacon is a proto-xeno. The Deacon is the outcome from the ooze in the shrine. Never once did we see what was actually in a 'finished urn'. The urn that David took, came from the shrine, that was actually locked down, and put in a form of hybernation, cryo-stasis. When David opened the shrine, that kicked off the life cycle of those urns. All creatures that we saw, were a product of the shrine. The urns loaded into the Juggernaut were the final product, and did not require special treatment to keep them dormant. Whatever lurked in those only required delivery to the unsuspecting planet(s) that the Engineers were planning to 'attack'. I look at the shrine's urns as the stepping stones to the final product, which could, in fact, be the bio-mechanical xenomorph of Alien and Aliens. I tend to disagree with the fact that the derelict on 426 is millions of years old. I would like say it is one of the few Engineer ships that was able to evacuate 233. Technological evolution is why I believe this. Even 40 years of time, is enough to completely change technology to a point where it would no longer appear anything like it's predecessors. The Derelict on 426, and the ships of 233 had the exact same design. Surely they would have engineered a better design in millions of years. Just look at the differences between the ship that seeded Earth, versus the Juggernauts. I also feel that there isn't anyway for Deacon to be a female. Since it's make-up is comprised of the host's genetic composition, I feel Deacon has to be a male. Shaw gave birth to an egg layer, Ripley hosted a Queen. Every other 'Alien birth' we've witness has been male, due to the host being male. It stands to reason that the Xenomorph takes on it's hosts composition. Now whether we have a scenario where the genetic composition of the Xeno allows it's species to 'change sex', as some reptiles, bugs and fish, can do on Earth, is yet to be determined. I consider Deacon to be more of a male Frankenstein creature, seeded by an older ooze, and birthed in an unorthodox method that the Engineers did not expect. Other thoughts.. The derelict on 426 already delivered it's payload, before succumbing to it's demise, which will explain the lack of Urns. Perhaps it ran and escaped the outbreak on 233, before even getting loaded, with the pilot not knowing it was infected.