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Evolution of Xenos - EXPLAINED logically

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Gorman

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Using logic I am going to break down some of the questions in prometheus. Long post but bear with me, its easy to read and broken down into sentences. What we know: 1 We know that the derelict on LV-426 happened before the Prometheus film, because the 30 odd years between films is not enough time for the Space Jockey remains to fossilize into the chair (quote from Dallas in Alien). Therefore this new proto-Alien in Prometheus is not the Queen who laid the eggs on the derelict. 2 We can assume from Alien, that the eggs on the derelict produced a face hugger which killed the Space Jockey in the chair. 3 We can assume that the Aliens in the rest of the Alien films 1,2,3 (which all stem from the derelict on LV-426) come from the same black goo which we see in Prometheus. 4 Since our DNA is the same as the Space Jockeys (from Prometheus), they have the same reproductive process and therefore could not have laid the eggs on the derelict. 5 In Prometheus, there are no eggs to be seen. Just ampules of black goo. But, the black goo, when used in a reproductive process, can create facehuggers (albeit in different varieties- much larger ones come from humans it seems). This tomb is therefore the stage BEFORE the eggs we see in Alien, Aliens. 6 Space Jockeys created the black goo. Mentioned a few times in the film. 7 Xenomorphs "hatched" out of Space Jockeys and neary killed them off, roughly 2000 years ago. 8 Xenomorphs originate in the temple (assumed by Xeno mural, black goo containing their DNA). Therefore derelict crashed before SJs were last seen in the temple. So derelict over 2000 years old. 9 The Queen in Aliens originates from LV-426 derelict somehow. What we can work out from what we know: 1 The tomb seen in Prometheus is a shrine for the origin of the Xenomorph. There are hundreds of Ampules containing their origins of life (when mixed in a reproducitve system). The Xenomorph Mural on the wall backs this up - to signal that the black goo in the ampules creates Xenomorphs . Maybe the Space Jockeys worshipped it. Maybe it was a warning (this fits with the warning signal coming from LV-426 in Alien). Also fits with the skull on the top of the outside of the temple 2 Shaw was growing a facehugger in her womb, after mating with "Black Goo", as that is the human reproductive cycle. However, a lot of creatures have a different reproductive cycle and lay eggs. Therefore, it would not necessarily have been a queen to lay the eggs on the derelict. We can assume that an infected "EGG LAYING" reproducing organism COULD have layed the facehugger eggs on the derelict. This could not have been the Space Jockeys (assumption 4) so there is another creature involved somewhere in the journey from Black Goo - Face hugger Eggs. 3 Xenomorphs can start WITHOUT a queen to lay eggs. Proof is that scene at the end of Prometheus where a new "Space Jockey Xeno" emerges. Quote from Hudson in Aliens "They are like a Bee Hive with a Queen running the show" Quote from Wikipedia on how Queen bees develop. "The young queen larva develops differently because it is more heavily fed royal jelly, a protein-rich secretion from glands on the heads of young workers. If not for being heavily fed royal jelly, the queen larva would have developed into a regular worker bee." So basically in the Aliens film, many terraformers obviously visited the derelict, became infected so there were hundreds of Xenos running around in the complex. They were able to create the hive and then create a Queen themselves, as described in the quote above. There was no special Queen egg or anything. 4 Therefore, the ONLY OPTION, is that the Space Jockeys infected a NEW "egg laying" species with the black goo. One to help them produce Xenomorphs. This layed the original eggs on the derelict. The Xeno mural shows that SJs know what will hatch from the eggs. Therefore can only assume eggs were laid under control from the "NEW" species, then they were flying it to somewhere (Earth?, as suggested in the films, or maybe a previous creation of theirs). 5 If Space Jockeys can reproduce like humans (same DNA), then they could have produced the Xenos which killed them off in the temple. The only other option is that other non egg laying creature (no empty eggs are seen in the tomb) was infected, mated and then reproduced, producing their form of face hugger, which in turn infected SJ's and wiped them out. All in all, Prometheus fits in quite nicely with the Alien films. New mysteries from the film itself which don't need to tie into Alien films: Why the SJ's decided to create us and ultimately destroy us? Heavily signposted for the sequel.
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I belive that most of it CAN be explained in the movie Here's my point of view (I'm from mexico so bear with me if I fail to explain myself grammatically correct) 1.- In the beginning of the movie we can se how the SJ's (Or Engeneers) take the black goo and starts a deconstruction in a molecular level into the water in a place wich we can presume is planet Earth in the Cambrian age. The engieneer is thrown into the water and with him being deconstructed by the black goo that also works as a evolutionarie booster (or maybe it's a diferent black goo...?) stages the first elements of life, being water the element that will hold the first life forms. 2.- I presume that this was a staged event. The Engieneers where in the middle of experimenting on how to create a Xenomorph's (Probably to use them in the future as weapons, as we can see in the mural, the Xenomorph it's in the form that we all know) and this was one of the experiments. I belive they hoped that they could grow Xenomorph life in planet earth, but the experiment failed it's purpouse and only lead to create a being that through evolutionarie phases worked it's way into the top: The humans, and this creature came to evolve so remarkably as them (Maybe that's one of the reasons OR the reason why they plan to destroy us?). OR Humans (and other life forms) were just harvested to hold Xenomorph's so they could use them later as weapons (Being that they already had waited enough time and the Humans were already capable of holding a proper Xenomorph for god knows what reasons) Personally I'm sticking to this one... 3.- Why leave a map?. Maybe the only way to launch the Xenomorph colonization on earth would be if Humans were READY for it, I'll explain this later... Engeneers knew that humans would eventually wonder about their own existence and would seek answers, so they visited and most likely helped Humans to be rational (All staged so they could hold Xenomorph life inside them in some future) and that could explain WHY ancient civilazation that had no conection between them had the same pictogram: They knew that the ideal moment to plant or harvest the Xenomorphs in Humans would be when Humans would be almost at their pair in tecnological advances, that's when they would be READY to be harvested. And they would be leading them into a military spaceship that would go back to Earth and harvest the Xenomorphs inside humans, the Black goo only works with their DNA and we knoe that Humans hold the same DNA as the Engeneers (they wouldn't experiment on themselves, logically). 4.- In this precise ship of the movie of Prometheus, we can see that something went wrong and Xenomorphs started to spread in the Engeneers, leading them to their end. They hadn't anticipated that to happen, maybe some of the scientist or crew members got sweped out by the Xenomorphs, but one of them saved himself in a criogenic state, following and sticking the plan that Humans would eventually get to the spaceship... (maybe that's the reason why The Engeneer in the movie just smiles, because he notices the plan went as the expected) So... that's my point of view.
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The "protoxeno" that popped out of the space jockey was 100% a queen alien. That was the point of the director showing her mouth open, and a smaller mouth extruding from it. That was with out a doubt suppose to tell you that creature was the Queen alien. Also, the wasnt the ship that crashed in prometheus suppose to be the ship in alien?
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The "protoxeno" that popped out of the space jockey was 100% a queen alien. That was the point of the director showing her mouth open, and a smaller mouth extruding from it. That was with out a doubt suppose to tell you that creature was the Queen alien. Also, the wasnt the ship that crashed in prometheus suppose to be the ship in alien?
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The "protoxeno" that popped out of the space jockey was 100% a queen alien. That was the point of the director showing her mouth open, and a smaller mouth extruding from it. That was with out a doubt suppose to tell you that creature was the Queen alien. Also, the wasnt the ship that crashed in prometheus suppose to be the ship in alien?
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If you include AvP in the alien cannon, Xeno's were on ancient earth in the Preditor temple so they must predate Prometheus,
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@that1Guy: I find no fault in your reasoning, it does seem highly logical that the Xeno was a queen at the end, but people keep suggesting that it is not the same ship in Alien because 1. It's on another planet. 2. There is no "Space Jockey" fused to the pilot chair.
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I think the biggest thing that needs to be explained is... wtf was up with the beginning? please explain this. It was the trippiest sh!t ever 1. we see a shadow of a giant spaceship that doesn't pose any similarity any other ship we've seen. 2. then there's the Space Jockey doin a shot of the "Black Goo" and virtually disintegrating into the water. 3. also what planet was this on? looked too spectacular to be on Earth and there were no traces of water on the planet they were on. 4. when did this event take place?
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I agree that is unlikely for the eggs on the derelict to have been laid by the alien in Prometheus but I think people are putting too much credence on a throwaway line that “it looks fossilised” it was probably just the best term they had at the time and could refer to the suit which isn’t made of bone but just looks fossilised (could be how the engineers use carbon to create there suits) anyway yeah I just wish people would stop replying onthat one line to assume it had to have happened thousands of years ago
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here's my take on this from what you guys have said. is it not possible that the original alien in Prometheus was in fact a queen? if so couldn't she have laid something even if it isn't an egg to continue species and since there was something in pilots seat couldn't the "Space Jockey" race have come back to check in with this outpost and gotten infected themselves creating another evolution in the aliens which caused the eggs to be laid that were found secondly I'm inclined to believe the theory that the fossil was the exo-suit and not an actual fossil then of course there's the fact that we don't know how long the gap between Prometheus and the first movie is so maybe they came back thousands of years before the next trip out I don't know however I wouldn't rule out that possibility
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oh and I have 1 more thing why does it have to be another planet the atmosphere is the same as is the surface so maybe I missed something

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