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allinamberclad

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"My theory is that, that..."Croissant", I've called it a, "Croissant", the Ship//and...I thought it was a Battleship. It was a [i]Carrier[/i] - I always thought it was a [i]Carrier.[/i] What is it? Why?... People say, 'Is it a building?' I said, No. It's a vehicle..that [i]doesn't[/i] look like it crashed - it looked like it may have forced landing, but it [i]landed[/i]. And, um...[i]why[/i] did it land and [i]why[/i] was the Pilot, damaged? Because [i]that[/i]...his [i]cargo[/i]...had - [i]something[/i] had got loose..in the cargo: had [i]evolved[/i] and had actually taken him, out. And so, what could that be?.. And therefore - like, all that technology, in any technology, whether it's Millions of years past, or Millions of years in the future, they'll always have a Distress Signal. [b]So, had he set up a Distress Signal, that, we - in our 20th Century/21st Century electronics - had caught up [with] technology which was a [i]Million[/i] years old,[/b] and said, "Gee, what's that, uh...thing? We should land...". OK?... And; that was the genesis of Alien 1...“. - Ridley Scott, [to Geoff Boucher], April 2012. My questions are these: If Ridley Scott's statement, [b]emboldened[/b], is the fact, would that statement not undermine every presently held conclusion, assumption and discussion regarding the origins of the xenomorph, for example? Would it not, also, force a fundamental questioning of most current speculation about the order of events, the role of Humanity in those events and the likely sequence of events and history in the wider Story? Would it not, with the economy of a single sentence, reset almost the entire discussion surrounding Prometheus and this Universe, practically back to zero - and also, effectively, slam the door closed on any direct link with what we saw in Alien, it's likely appearance in Prometheus, what we imagine is the role of the Space Jockey - and most of everything else, that, up until now, we may have thought we knew?
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@Biehn_Bandit Hmm. I broadly agree - except for the mural part. I want to be clear: I don't necessarily hope, nor wish that is [i]not[/i] a xenomorph? I don't have an agenda in that regard - it would actually suit me if it [i]were[/i], from exactly the perspective that you give - this is just a personal issue to do with the way I process the World around me: for my purposes, I am completely unable to justify a conclusion such as, "This mural certainly depicts a xenomorph", or, "It is likely this mural depicts a xenomorph". To my observation, it certainly does [i]not,[/i] provide sufficient evidence on which to do that. That it, "may", do is, simply: not enough. On your other very relevant observation, I hope you will understand: As a matter of fact, if the positioning we are discussing is correct, it also supports some of my own long-standing beliefs - but this is about objectivity. In the way I chose to frame my comments for the benefit of the queries I raised in this thread, I had a choice: I either chose to frame them in such a way that was inclusive and neutral; or I chose to from them from my own perspective with the risk of that being misinterpreted as suggesting that others, of a different view, were somehow, "wrong" - and also have to speak in terms of, "those of you who thought this", and, "those of you who thought that"? This is not the way I operate, so I chose what I thought the best option for inclusive neutrality. Nevertheless, you are quite right: I could have given the framing a little more thought to allow for all colours of opinion - I just focussed on the disassociation of my own opinion as I was more interested in the opinions of others at the time and, furthermore, I was extremely tired - as that local time was somewhere around 06.00hrs, I think. No presumption, either way, was intended - so thank you for giving me the opportunity to state it.
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I usually tend to remain skeptical or neutral about things and refrain from making final judgments. But for this, I'm thinking that the simplest and most seemingly obvious answers are the right answers. The reason for this being: I don't think Lindelof and Scott are thinking about this that deeply. Scott may be formidable in most aspects of filmmaking, but not in story conception. And Lindelof doesn't strike me as that deep either. And every bit of information that is revealed only bolsters my belief. You're not going to see a Memento from these guys. And no, I don't regard Lost as deep and complex. More like convoluted and contrived. So with that mindset: regarding the mural, any other answer seems, to me, to be extremely counter-intuitive. So I take the stance of the simpleton: it looks like a xeno, must be a xeno.
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@Biehn_Bandit We absolutely agree on most if not all of your comments regarding Authorship. Our agreement may be short-lived as you have not mentioned, what I maintain is one [i]very[/i] significant name: Spaihts. I've argued this elsewhere - and may yet live to see it knocked down, but until that day: I have the strongest intuition based on some reading between lines and some interviews that the backbone of this Story will remain that of John Spaihts. Lindelof has added scenes and his gift of sparkling dialogue and, of course, Big Name Hollywood Magic - but the [i]core,[/i] the structure: the meaning, I am sure - remains Spaihts. He was bumped for the Big Name. That's Business but, he's still in the credits and, if I am correct, that puts us in a very, [i]very[/i] different space than Lindelofs solo playground - and the combination could be quite something... I'd wonder if you would give that part of your position maybe a second thought.
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Yeah, I've never given this Spaihts guy much thought. Don't know who or what calibur of thinker and writer he is. Could alter my perspective of certain things For example: I can see how the mural imagery could be used by a savvy writer to get us into thinking along one line, only to have it turn out to be more than we thought. Like, maybe the xeno "head" is actually something else, but he's using its similarity -in juxtaposition to the xeno body shape - to what we know to throw us off. I once suggested that maybe that's not a xeno head, but some kind of non-vertebrate organism stretched over or consuming a SJs face, like a different from of facehugger. Maybe it's a SJ being crucified with this thing covering his head. There are several possibilities But one thing I have seen no evidence for, is that the xeno is created within this movie. Nor do I care for the film to take time showing this. I want new,new, new.
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on it now bud

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Sorted ;) ... I think the server had a FART :) ...
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Thank you. LOL.
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done biehn-bandit

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Haha Snork was on it too :) ...
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Well what the hell? Is there some way to delete posts completely?
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@Biehn_Bandit He's a very interesting guy - and he's a spinner: the "confound expectations" stuff you're saying? He's all about it. I agree once more with something you said previously: Scott is many things - and he is [i]not[/i] many things - but he [i]does[/i] know something about a good Story: and he has never been a fool. Ever. He knows if gets a decent Screenplay he is one of a select group of people who can really maximally visualize the ring-piece out of it. Spaihts is practically a nobody, right now: figure how and why a nobody has buzz? Figure how and why a nobody is even in the same Studio buildings as Ridley Scott, let alone in the man's office for months, working through draft, after draft, after draft - Ridley Scott has the time, or the need? Spaihts has something. Check him out.
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I still propose, like some others here, that we are introduced to a process done by these engineers over millions and millions of years. Lots of derelicts all over the universe doing different things, bombing planets' atmosphere using directed pan-spermia, in a war over whether or not to seed the Universe with their own superior technology. We never see the Derelict in Alien, but we understand how one could come to crash-land on LV -426.
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@Necrofan For me, very much another, "purpose" - but, in general Method and Practice? I totally agree.
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I must apologize for some of my comments on the first page. I too was tired, my PC went bluescreen, and I was typing on my Nook not allowing my thoughts to come across easily. I was also a bit frustrated with things that are obvious, made obvious in the Alien movie, being debated (although the exercise can be fun as long as we're not going too hog-wild with stretches that totally ignore what was presented to us). The only thing I meant to add to the discussion was that, IMO, the derelict (and egg cargo, thus the xeno) are millions of years old whatever (technology). I will be dissapointed if, in Prometheus, we see anything laid down trying to make us think that the xeno is some brand-new toy of theirs (the SJs). That would ruin Alien for me where the derelict has obviously been there for a very, very long time (containing some very, very old (yet still viable) bio-weapons).

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